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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5808124" data-attributes="member: 957">Again, I agree with you.As I said WotC is taking a real risk here.But if they were going with your logic then why change, just double down on your 4E fan base.I don't think this is a good assessment.They had a HUGE fan base.  And 3E ran its life cycle.  It makes sense.  When 4E was announced I was completely on board because I thought it was time to move forward.  But you can't judge a game by its popularity at the end of the cycle.  The 3E/D20 era has repeatedly been called the second Golden Age and was criticized for glut and pushing out innovation in other games.  It was hugely popular for quite a few years.4E was on shelves in June 2008.  Fans were crowing about it being a New York Times Bestseller.  According to recent WotC statements they decided to start work on 5E in "late 2010".  So in 18 MONTHS (at most) WotC threw in the towel internally.  And it was easy to see along the way, but it is far easier to see now with 20/20 hindsight that they were desperately trying to "fix" the game and salvage their fan base for quite some time.  In 18 months they had time to go from bestseller to  realizing they had a problem, thinking of an developing solutions to try, publishing the solutions, looking for the results of that change, and then realizing they needed to go new edition.You are comparing a game at the end of its life cycle to a game that, frankly, never had a life cycle.Nope.  That isn't true.I do agree that the designers should be thinking "EVERY FAN".  They should have a positive attitude and an aggressive approach.  But from a real business point of view, getting back to being the icon of RPGs will be more than viable and is a realistic goal.Anyone on the design team that doesn't want "EVERY FAN" should be off the team.Anyone on the design team who has not learned the lessons of the past few years should also be off the team.</blockquote>

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