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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5808357" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Clearly we will have to agree to disagree. Notice that the whole OSR movement really gained a lot of momentum during the 3e era too. Clearly there were issues before the appearance of 4e. And again, why would WotC have felt compelled to make deep changes to the game if they didn't feel that the choice was between taking a big roll of the dice and simply admitting that they couldn't succeed at all? For that matter why was 3.5 released? I think there was a realization at WotC going far back before 4e was even thought of that there were problems. Heck, read what Ryan has written. This isn't anything new, they understood a dozen years ago that in the long run simply edition cycling the game every 6-10 years was not really a viable business strategy.</p><p></p><p>The fact is that the same forces that drove WotC to create 4e are going to apply equally to 5e. Go back to the same old thing as before and THE VERY BEST you can possibly hope for (and there is little chance of it) is to be stuck back where you were when 4e was being thought up. That's not success. Even getting back to that point is going to require EVERYONE being onboard, and thinking that the 'lessons learned' are that you should do over what hasn't ultimately succeeded, well, I've started and run a number of businesses and I know a winning business plan from a losing one, and "doing what we did before" is never a big winner when it didn't win the first time around.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5808357, member: 82106"] Clearly we will have to agree to disagree. Notice that the whole OSR movement really gained a lot of momentum during the 3e era too. Clearly there were issues before the appearance of 4e. And again, why would WotC have felt compelled to make deep changes to the game if they didn't feel that the choice was between taking a big roll of the dice and simply admitting that they couldn't succeed at all? For that matter why was 3.5 released? I think there was a realization at WotC going far back before 4e was even thought of that there were problems. Heck, read what Ryan has written. This isn't anything new, they understood a dozen years ago that in the long run simply edition cycling the game every 6-10 years was not really a viable business strategy. The fact is that the same forces that drove WotC to create 4e are going to apply equally to 5e. Go back to the same old thing as before and THE VERY BEST you can possibly hope for (and there is little chance of it) is to be stuck back where you were when 4e was being thought up. That's not success. Even getting back to that point is going to require EVERYONE being onboard, and thinking that the 'lessons learned' are that you should do over what hasn't ultimately succeeded, well, I've started and run a number of businesses and I know a winning business plan from a losing one, and "doing what we did before" is never a big winner when it didn't win the first time around. [/QUOTE]
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