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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8086706" data-attributes="member: 63508">It's less about what they get and more how they play. That's why WOTC can't go back. The paladin and cleric diverged too much in playstyle in 3e and seperated completely in 4e then 5e.WOTC turned the paladin into the Smite-Monster and the cleric into the White-Mage and that's how they are seen in popular fantasy culture.&nbsp; The Paladin plays nothing like a cleric now. The cleric blasts enemies and revives allies with spells. The paladin doesn't really. The paladin is now more like a divinely boosted fighter.So unless you are saying paladins should get 9th level spells or clerics are fighters the damage is done. Them using the same spell list isn't enough to make them subclasses anymore. Clerics summon angels. Paladins become angels.Clerics don't get heavy armor by default anymore.Clerics don't smite with melee attacks anymore by default anymore.The classes diverged in 3e and in 5e are 2 separate archetypes.Tyrion is of the nonexistent Scholar/Sage class that D&amp;D has needed since AD&amp;D 2e.If ANY class that 5e should add it's That one.A mental class that isn't magic based for Thor's sake.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8086706, member: 63508"] It's less about what they get and more how they play. That's why WOTC can't go back. The paladin and cleric diverged too much in playstyle in 3e and seperated completely in 4e then 5e. WOTC turned the paladin into the Smite-Monster and the cleric into the White-Mage and that's how they are seen in popular fantasy culture. The Paladin plays nothing like a cleric now. The cleric blasts enemies and revives allies with spells. The paladin doesn't really. The paladin is now more like a divinely boosted fighter. So unless you are saying paladins should get 9th level spells or clerics are fighters the damage is done. Them using the same spell list isn't enough to make them subclasses anymore. Clerics summon angels. Paladins become angels. Clerics don't get heavy armor by default anymore. Clerics don't smite with melee attacks anymore by default anymore. The classes diverged in 3e and in 5e are 2 separate archetypes. Tyrion is of the nonexistent Scholar/Sage class that D&D has needed since AD&D 2e. If ANY class that 5e should add it's [B]That [/B]one. A mental class that isn't magic based for Thor's sake. [/QUOTE]

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