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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8089684" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Just to chime in on this one part of the discussion:Finesse weapons don't have to use DEX, they simply can. You can still use STR with a sneak attack. Thrown weapons, which also use STR, are used to also make ranged attacks. So, STR works just as well with sneak attack as DEX, with "ranged" weapons being the only exception.Cunning action also lets you Dash and Disengage, neither of which require DEX. Also, with expertise, a Rogue with little to no DEX can high as well as any other non-expertise PC.Evasion is a DEX save, but you still have proficiency in it. It is actually sort of better when you don't have the DEX because you are more likely to fail the save, but will still only take half damage compared to others who fail but take full damage.While Light Armor relies on DEX, MCing or feats can allow you to use heavier armors and have an even better AC than the DEX-based Rogue in Light Armor. If you happen to play at the insanely rare table which allow neither MCing nor feats, AC is not as important in 5E as it was in other editions due to HP bloat (and there are always Mountain Dwarves, as we all know... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )Only 30% of the Rogue skills are DEX. Sure, there is only Athletics for STR, but that is the only STR-based skill... You also can get any skills you want via background, and then take expertise in them so be awesome with any skill you want. I mean, it is a point of annoyance (personally) that in tier 4, a Rogue with expertise in Arcana is +12 but a Wizard with INT 20 is only +11...I love rogues, along with wizards, they are one of my top two classes in 5E. So, while DEX can easily favor rogues, you definitely don't need it to have a very fun and effective rogue PC.So, I know you aren't saying you can't make a non-DEX-based rogue, I just wanted to reinforce rogues have a lot of other options-- they aren't as pigeon-holed as a lot of people seem to think IMO.Back to your regularly scheduled programming. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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