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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5780265" data-attributes="member: 29398">How do you all feel about save-or-die when both you-as-player and you-as-character know it's (potentially) coming, as opposed to a random surprise event?Last night's game is a fine example.  We've been told we're up against a huge ancient Red Dragon (and have for some reason contractually obligated ourselves to kill it), we've taken all kinds of precautions, and into its lair we go.  And on our way in it breathes on all of us for enough damage that a failed save would insta-kill every party member (and we're a huge party!) except one.  Normally, that's save-or-die all round; however our precautions - e.g. fire resistance for all - mitigated this enough that in most cases a failed save only hurt a whole lot....which is a good thing as our rolls were awful.Is this acceptable?  Also, would it be acceptable to unleash hell if the party had failed to heed the warnings? [my answer is yes to both, by the way]Oh, and to finish the story: my guy still died in this one: he made his save vs. the breath but then had the dragon - all ten-or-so tons of it - crash land on him when the party shot it down.  I finished at -74.Lan-"another one bites the dust"-efan</blockquote>