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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9659167" data-attributes="member: 7037866">How?And any PC who didn't roll horrible intelligence could be a magic-user, no horrible dexterity a thief, and no horrible wisdom a cleric.Fighter really wasn't the &quot;everymans&quot; class in any way. I really don't know where you got that from.Never in my experience. Why would they come out fighters? Hirelings (even expert ones) didn't level and rarely, if ever, went on adventures. They were more used around town/base-camp/stronghold. These were 0-level creatures.Henchmen, however, did and had classes and levels already, nearly always 1st level. Higher level PCs (6th+) might get a 2nd-level henchmen and very high level (11+) might even attract a 3rd-level henchmen! Since they already had levels and classes, they didn't &quot;come out as fighters&quot; either (unless they went in as one... or were human and the DM chose to have them dual class already... I suppose that could happen...).Certainly, those are the low level PCs. Is a 1st-level fighter a &quot;hardened warrior&quot; or a 1st-level wizard a &quot;master mage&quot;??? Of course not!PCs at low levels rely on luck, ingenuity, etc. to survive lower levels. It isn't until tier 2 in 5E a PC might even start to begin considering themselves any sort of &quot;hardened&quot; or &quot;master&quot; anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9659167, member: 7037866"] How? And any PC who didn't roll horrible intelligence could be a magic-user, no horrible dexterity a thief, and no horrible wisdom a cleric. Fighter really wasn't the "everymans" class in any way. I really don't know where you got that from. Never in my experience. Why would they come out fighters? Hirelings (even expert ones) didn't level and rarely, if ever, went on adventures. They were more used around town/base-camp/stronghold. These were 0-level creatures. Henchmen, however, did and had classes and levels already, nearly always 1st level. Higher level PCs (6th+) might get a 2nd-level henchmen and very high level (11+) might even attract a 3rd-level henchmen! Since they already had levels and classes, they didn't "come out as fighters" either (unless they went in as one... or were human and the DM chose to have them dual class already... I suppose that [I]could[/I] happen...). Certainly, those are the low level PCs. Is a 1st-level fighter a "hardened warrior" or a 1st-level wizard a "master mage"??? Of course not! PCs at low levels rely on luck, ingenuity, etc. to survive lower levels. It isn't until tier 2 in 5E a PC might even start to begin considering themselves any sort of "hardened" or "master" anything. [/QUOTE]

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