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Should a general Adventurer class be created to represent the Everyman?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 9662880" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>That doesn't quite capture it, and I don't think being average really comes into it. <em>Ordinary </em>is closer to the mark, but not <em>average </em>because the everyman must also display benign conduct for easy audience identification: things like being kind, gentle, good-natured, and friendly. The average person doesn't have enough of these positive qualities to make an effective everyman.</p><p></p><p></p><p>From this, it seems you would think it's a problem if a player chose the Noble or Sage background for the same character for which they chose the Everyman class, a sign, perhaps, that this formulation of the concept is too narrow for a class. Maybe that's your point. I don't recall Hamlet being portrayed as particularly academically inclined, though, just that he went to school, like a lot of people. Also, the average person in a courtly drama <em>is </em>noble, so you seem to be saying you can't have an everyman character in a story about these sorts of people.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you're confusing the fact that Hamlet's lines were written by William Shakespeare with his being a different quality of person. I mean, Charlie Brown also waxes philosophical (as does Homer Simpson too, probably), he just does it in naturalistic, 20th-century American boy sort of way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and I think inaction is key to the identity of the protagonist everyman, whether or not Hamlet is one. Inaction through ambivalence or avoidance should be the go to for the character until something important is at stake. For Hamlet, it was the prospect of dying without exacting his revenge, which is an extreme example, but the class could offer an ability along the lines of an ability to make a special attack against an opponent when the life of the everyman or a loved one is at stake, perhaps turning their own "vile" means against them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, someone agrees with you because I looked at the article, and Prince Hamlet's been removed from the examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know where "unskilled" came from. I mean, ordinary people have all kinds of skills. And I don't agree an everyman must be strictly average. But I do agree that a character possessed of unusual skills or a special destiny is a departure from the Everyman archetype and is instead an expression of The Chosen One. Perhaps someone would like a chosen one class too.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean by this. Why would anyone want to play an everyman who's not an everyman?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 9662880, member: 6787503"] That doesn't quite capture it, and I don't think being average really comes into it. [I]Ordinary [/I]is closer to the mark, but not [I]average [/I]because the everyman must also display benign conduct for easy audience identification: things like being kind, gentle, good-natured, and friendly. The average person doesn't have enough of these positive qualities to make an effective everyman. From this, it seems you would think it's a problem if a player chose the Noble or Sage background for the same character for which they chose the Everyman class, a sign, perhaps, that this formulation of the concept is too narrow for a class. Maybe that's your point. I don't recall Hamlet being portrayed as particularly academically inclined, though, just that he went to school, like a lot of people. Also, the average person in a courtly drama [I]is [/I]noble, so you seem to be saying you can't have an everyman character in a story about these sorts of people. I think you're confusing the fact that Hamlet's lines were written by William Shakespeare with his being a different quality of person. I mean, Charlie Brown also waxes philosophical (as does Homer Simpson too, probably), he just does it in naturalistic, 20th-century American boy sort of way. Yes, and I think inaction is key to the identity of the protagonist everyman, whether or not Hamlet is one. Inaction through ambivalence or avoidance should be the go to for the character until something important is at stake. For Hamlet, it was the prospect of dying without exacting his revenge, which is an extreme example, but the class could offer an ability along the lines of an ability to make a special attack against an opponent when the life of the everyman or a loved one is at stake, perhaps turning their own "vile" means against them. Well, someone agrees with you because I looked at the article, and Prince Hamlet's been removed from the examples. I don't know where "unskilled" came from. I mean, ordinary people have all kinds of skills. And I don't agree an everyman must be strictly average. But I do agree that a character possessed of unusual skills or a special destiny is a departure from the Everyman archetype and is instead an expression of The Chosen One. Perhaps someone would like a chosen one class too. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Why would anyone want to play an everyman who's not an everyman? [/QUOTE]
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