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Should Ability Scores in 4E Be Randomly Determined?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3745015" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>A bit, yes. And in the game. Not before the game. During the game, like when you try to persuade the duke to stop his invasion, or when you try to make something stop moving by hitting it with a dangerous item, as often and as hard as possible.</p><p></p><p>But during character creation, I prefer to be in control. I don't want to see roll for how good my character's stats will be any more than I want my race, classes, spells or feats rolled.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Same holds for local games. We don't want to have the Gm watch our character rolls (and rerolls, if it turns out you can't play with the first couple of sets of rolls because you are on an unlucky streak). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not like point buy has its limitations. It's not points-given-away. You're on a budget, if you will.  </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, unlike you use 96 point buy, this is impossible with point buy, but not if you roll for your ability scores.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Point buy doesn't preclude that.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Exactly! We want to play the role, not ROLL the role (like, rolling dice for the ability scores and hoping to roll really well - and whining for a reroll if you don't do so well). That would be ROLLplaying!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course. Point buy (with several point ranges suggested), several rolling methods, and maybe even something crazy, like "DM lets his players pick their stats" or something to do with a deck of cards.</p><p></p><p>In fact, have a monthly issue on insider with more exotic generation methods (Three Dragon Reading was nice, some more card tricks would rock, something with Inn Fighting Dice, even some questionnaire thing)</p><p></p><p></p><p>I just think that a deterministic system like point buy is more appropriate as the standard method, since it allows players to create their stats at home without the DM looking over their shoulders.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Casual players probably don't care enough to spend time with the hobby away from the table.</p><p></p><p>I also think that the majority shares my opinion that point buy is the best standard method. I doubt that more than a couple of people say that rolling for stats should be outlawed forever, bombings beginning in 5 minutes.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 3745015, member: 4134"] A bit, yes. And in the game. Not before the game. During the game, like when you try to persuade the duke to stop his invasion, or when you try to make something stop moving by hitting it with a dangerous item, as often and as hard as possible. But during character creation, I prefer to be in control. I don't want to see roll for how good my character's stats will be any more than I want my race, classes, spells or feats rolled. Same holds for local games. We don't want to have the Gm watch our character rolls (and rerolls, if it turns out you can't play with the first couple of sets of rolls because you are on an unlucky streak). It's not like point buy has its limitations. It's not points-given-away. You're on a budget, if you will. You know, unlike you use 96 point buy, this is impossible with point buy, but not if you roll for your ability scores. Point buy doesn't preclude that. Exactly! We want to play the role, not ROLL the role (like, rolling dice for the ability scores and hoping to roll really well - and whining for a reroll if you don't do so well). That would be ROLLplaying! Of course. Point buy (with several point ranges suggested), several rolling methods, and maybe even something crazy, like "DM lets his players pick their stats" or something to do with a deck of cards. In fact, have a monthly issue on insider with more exotic generation methods (Three Dragon Reading was nice, some more card tricks would rock, something with Inn Fighting Dice, even some questionnaire thing) I just think that a deterministic system like point buy is more appropriate as the standard method, since it allows players to create their stats at home without the DM looking over their shoulders. Casual players probably don't care enough to spend time with the hobby away from the table. I also think that the majority shares my opinion that point buy is the best standard method. I doubt that more than a couple of people say that rolling for stats should be outlawed forever, bombings beginning in 5 minutes. :) [/QUOTE]
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