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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8080887" data-attributes="member: 93670">There's probably some happy middle ground.  Over in the later pages of <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/object-interaction-spell-components-unarmed-attacks-and-hand-usage.674183/" target="_blank">this thread</a> there is talk of a "change state" type action to cover some of that that lond of do stuff with your hand that provokes an AoO that could work for covering a lot of 8-2's actions but 5e's near complete removal of the tactical grid combat component & the AoOs it needs to matter was a few bridges too far from "some people think there were too many ways to provoke an AoO*".* even though in practice there were usually only a couple that provoked regularly & "bob does your $ability provoke" and a bookmark between page 140/141 tended to cover the rest. Look at the table & it's pretty simple<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Common Actions: Make a ranged attack,  Cast a spell w/cast time of 1 action including touch spells on up to 6 allies or use an Spell Like Ability,reload a light hand heavy or repeating xbow(you remember this by level 2 if anyone uses either!),"run" or move normally rather than a 5 ft step,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Uncommon but regular actions: Aid another provoked (unless you were doing something that didn't provoke to do it), drink a potion/apply an oil/read a scroll, stabilize an ally, use a skill (probably use judgement y0!), Control a frightened mount (why did you need to wonder?), Sheath a weapon so it can't be kicked away or stolen when you switch them, stand up, dig through your pack to grab an item(Lets face it, your probably going for a potion scroll or oil so will eat two over two actions so be careful instead of doing a wolverine impression),coup de grace(oh you wanted to instakill a baddie with a full round action & not be at risk from his friends, throw out a wight & see how fast your PCs remember this), prepare to throw a splash weapon (aka holy water/flask of acid), Move a heavy object (again why did you need to wonder when "is it heavy to bob" is the real question).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">rarely ever seen actions: Make an unarmed attack (monks were special & ignored this), light a freaking candle or torch in the middle of melee combat(wtf?!f?!f?!),escape from a net,  lock/unlock a locking gauntlet bob needed to specially add to his armor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Special rarely used actions with unique mechanics that can provoke bob can look at the action to say yes it provokes he just looked up if he doesn't remember:  Sunder a weapon or object being worn, disarm, grapple, trip</li> </ul>There's almost more sarcasm than cases that actually provoke an AoO & the vast majority of tings that provoke are kind of in the "duh" range like controlling a frightened mount, lighting a candle/torch, moving a heavy object, spend a full round action stabbing someone in the heart/eye or slicing their throat open, pretend you are the quarterback with a vial of holy water/acid you hope to throw with no linebacker between you & a baddie, etc.In many cases 8-2 needlessly defines things separate like individual entries for load light/hand xbow & load heavy/repeating xbow , move & run, light a candle/tinderwick & light a torch, etc edit:because they use a different action type.</blockquote>

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