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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8520597" data-attributes="member: 84112">back in 3e (and even through today) one of the things I have found so funny is the combat mastery of being a thief (yes we changed name to rogue)back in 2e most fighters had weapon specilization (+1 to hit +2 damage) and the most common damage die was d8. You could not 'finesse' a weapon so damage came from Str that was normally higher on a fighter, and fighters got more attacks and specilization gave more too. so even when a thief (yes now called rogue) got a x2, x3, or even the mighty x5 backstabs they were mostly doing LESS damage than a fighter of equal level (not always but on average) starting in 3e when +1d6 SA started (up to 10d6 at 20th level) adding dex to hit and damage on some weapons, and you often had rogues (still thief) doing MORE damage. I have had many people ask "Why are thief/assassin/rogue/_____ better at finding openings to deal more damage then train warriors?" many time (sometimes to annoy me sometimes as new players really wanting to know)</blockquote>