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Should Bearded Female Dwarves be the Default?
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<blockquote data-quote="Enevhar Aldarion" data-source="post: 7993036" data-attributes="member: 6818233"><p>Not sure which ones that would be since there were three pairs of brothers (Fili and Kili, Oin and Gloin, and Balin and Dwalin) And a trio of male cousins (Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur), so just leaves Ori, Nori, and Dori, who I can't remember if they were directly related to each other or just similarly named. And I am pretty sure Ori is referred to as male, as he went on the failed attempt to retake Moria. So that leaves just Dori and Nori and I can't remember if there are any specific references to them as "he".</p><p></p><p>And yes, if we think of "The Hobbit" being written from Bilbo's point of view, they would all seem male because they all have beards and are not referred to in any other way by the other dwarves or Gandalf, but I cannot remember if there are non-story references from the appendices or another book where Tolkien calls them all male.</p><p></p><p>Here is a video that includes the film scene from LotR mentioned earlier. It also includes footage from the film version of The Hobbit showing beardless Dwarf women:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]P-Soy2S0MMI[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Edit: Okay, there are these two quotes from Tolkien's writing:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I need to track down the exact book and page for that second one to verify it, as that one is pretty clear.</p><p></p><p>Edit 2: found it. <em>The War of the Jewels</em>, HoME Vol 11, Part 2, Ch 13, <em>Concerning the Dwarves</em> </p><p></p><p>Meaning it is from manuscripts not published til after JRR Tolkien's death. Now I can see the confusion about this topic, since while it did get into a published work, it was not in something he had published while still alive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Enevhar Aldarion, post: 7993036, member: 6818233"] Not sure which ones that would be since there were three pairs of brothers (Fili and Kili, Oin and Gloin, and Balin and Dwalin) And a trio of male cousins (Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur), so just leaves Ori, Nori, and Dori, who I can't remember if they were directly related to each other or just similarly named. And I am pretty sure Ori is referred to as male, as he went on the failed attempt to retake Moria. So that leaves just Dori and Nori and I can't remember if there are any specific references to them as "he". And yes, if we think of "The Hobbit" being written from Bilbo's point of view, they would all seem male because they all have beards and are not referred to in any other way by the other dwarves or Gandalf, but I cannot remember if there are non-story references from the appendices or another book where Tolkien calls them all male. Here is a video that includes the film scene from LotR mentioned earlier. It also includes footage from the film version of The Hobbit showing beardless Dwarf women: [MEDIA=youtube]P-Soy2S0MMI[/MEDIA] Edit: Okay, there are these two quotes from Tolkien's writing: I need to track down the exact book and page for that second one to verify it, as that one is pretty clear. Edit 2: found it. [I]The War of the Jewels[/I], HoME Vol 11, Part 2, Ch 13, [I]Concerning the Dwarves[/I] Meaning it is from manuscripts not published til after JRR Tolkien's death. Now I can see the confusion about this topic, since while it did get into a published work, it was not in something he had published while still alive. [/QUOTE]
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