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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 8003927" data-attributes="member: 6803643"><p>Not an unpopular opinion by any means - I think most people would agree with you about the pacing, as would the films' production team. </p><p></p><p>I also agree that the pacing would be really weird - it would be like tacking the plot of "Spider-Man: Far From Home" into an extra hour of "Avengers: Endgame" since it deals with Peter's emotional fallout and development from the events of the previous film.</p><p></p><p>I also think Lord of the Rings could have worked as long-form serialized film like Marvel and Star Wars do, but those benefit from anticipation and lack of knowledge of how the story ends (as opposed to a book adaptation). In many ways, I could say that that's what Peter Jackson & co. were trying to do with the third Hobbit film. The Dragon Quest is wrapped up before the title card drop of the film. The rest of the film is dealing with the fallout of the actual Quest for Erebor, and adapts just the last 5 chapters of a 19-chapter book. It's similar to how the Battle of the Hornburg is stretched out from 1 chapter to most of The Two Towers. I think we could have easily had a denouement film, but it created the same audience pathos that cutting the Scouring does.</p><p></p><p>As upset as I was about the loss of the Scouring, I think you're probably right. I think it's an essential element of the storymind and a good reason (among many) why Christopher stuck his nose up at the films, but from a filmmaker perspective, it just doesn't make sense to include it in a film version. </p><p></p><p>In my fantasy of a Hobbit & LotR tv show (maybe as a sequel to the Akallabêth one they're making on Amazon), they'd spend whole episodes in the Blue Mountains with Durin's Folk, and we'd get to meet the bearded dwarf-woman Dís and understand the familial bonds better between Kíli and Fíli and their uncle, Thorin. I have a lot of thoughts on that prequel trilogy, not all of them good, but fleshing out the different dwarf characters was a definite plus for me.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and that reminds me, to those who stick their nose up on a the Kíli - Tauriel romance: there's another theory floating around on the internet about why dwarves have beards and elves don't: it's because Dwarves and Elves are the males and females of the same species. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I would suppose then that people like Thranduil and Legolas and Elrond would be transgendered individuals or such, though I think that's going a bit too deep into the psychology and implications of the above joke.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 8003927, member: 6803643"] Not an unpopular opinion by any means - I think most people would agree with you about the pacing, as would the films' production team. I also agree that the pacing would be really weird - it would be like tacking the plot of "Spider-Man: Far From Home" into an extra hour of "Avengers: Endgame" since it deals with Peter's emotional fallout and development from the events of the previous film. I also think Lord of the Rings could have worked as long-form serialized film like Marvel and Star Wars do, but those benefit from anticipation and lack of knowledge of how the story ends (as opposed to a book adaptation). In many ways, I could say that that's what Peter Jackson & co. were trying to do with the third Hobbit film. The Dragon Quest is wrapped up before the title card drop of the film. The rest of the film is dealing with the fallout of the actual Quest for Erebor, and adapts just the last 5 chapters of a 19-chapter book. It's similar to how the Battle of the Hornburg is stretched out from 1 chapter to most of The Two Towers. I think we could have easily had a denouement film, but it created the same audience pathos that cutting the Scouring does. As upset as I was about the loss of the Scouring, I think you're probably right. I think it's an essential element of the storymind and a good reason (among many) why Christopher stuck his nose up at the films, but from a filmmaker perspective, it just doesn't make sense to include it in a film version. In my fantasy of a Hobbit & LotR tv show (maybe as a sequel to the Akallabêth one they're making on Amazon), they'd spend whole episodes in the Blue Mountains with Durin's Folk, and we'd get to meet the bearded dwarf-woman Dís and understand the familial bonds better between Kíli and Fíli and their uncle, Thorin. I have a lot of thoughts on that prequel trilogy, not all of them good, but fleshing out the different dwarf characters was a definite plus for me. Oh, and that reminds me, to those who stick their nose up on a the Kíli - Tauriel romance: there's another theory floating around on the internet about why dwarves have beards and elves don't: it's because Dwarves and Elves are the males and females of the same species. ;) I would suppose then that people like Thranduil and Legolas and Elrond would be transgendered individuals or such, though I think that's going a bit too deep into the psychology and implications of the above joke. [/QUOTE]
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