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Should Bounded Accuracy apply to skill checks? Thoughts on an old Alexandrian article
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<blockquote data-quote="roguish" data-source="post: 9504387" data-attributes="member: 7046843"><p>I was reading <a href="https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/48414/roleplaying-games/1dd-the-5e-skill-system-is-bad" target="_blank">an article by Justin Alexander</a> roasting the 5e skill system, and arguing (among other things) that Expertise is bad because it breaks Bounded Accuracy, and Reliable Talent makes it worse. And with this, I disagree.</p><p></p><p>I think that Bounded Accuracy is excellent for combat's standard rolls: attack vs AC, and saving throw vs DC. That's when you need numbers that challenge the whole party: some characters may have a better chance than others, sure, but the d20 roll doesn't become irrelevant because this one is guaranteed to succeed and that one is doomed to fail.</p><p></p><p>But for otherwise interacting with the world, I actually <em>don't</em> think the numbers need to challenge the whole party. I think immersion and simulation (I like these!) are better served by making such challenges tricky. Occasionally they will be too easy for some, and/or too hard for others, depending on where the characters focused their training. And when that happens, it's up to the party to figure out ways to make up for it, to look for other, creative solutions rather than get stuck on a skill check that one or more of them are doomed to fail, and in the end to acknowledge that some tasks are suited for only <em>some </em>of them.</p><p></p><p>So maybe half the party auto-failing to scale that wall means they need to find another way in, or use their spells, or have the athletic ones climb up and throw down a knotted rope. That's good! It's a complication that requires a solution other than rolling a single check! Maybe only the Wizard (with 2024 rules) has a chance of making that extreme Arcana check about a long lost artifact. That's great! It makes sense and it's immersive, they <em>should </em>be the only one able to make it. And maybe, if your goal is to stealthily scout ahead, don't send forth the clanging armoured warriors, only send the sneaky rogues and rangers. That's fantastic! It's basic tactics! What's not to like?</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">[This technically applies both to 2014 and 2024 rules, though to my great chagrin 5.5 fully dropped the ball on the skill system. Honestly, I just picked the 2024 flair because I use an example from the new PHB.]</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="roguish, post: 9504387, member: 7046843"] I was reading [URL='https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/48414/roleplaying-games/1dd-the-5e-skill-system-is-bad']an article by Justin Alexander[/URL] roasting the 5e skill system, and arguing (among other things) that Expertise is bad because it breaks Bounded Accuracy, and Reliable Talent makes it worse. And with this, I disagree. I think that Bounded Accuracy is excellent for combat's standard rolls: attack vs AC, and saving throw vs DC. That's when you need numbers that challenge the whole party: some characters may have a better chance than others, sure, but the d20 roll doesn't become irrelevant because this one is guaranteed to succeed and that one is doomed to fail. But for otherwise interacting with the world, I actually [I]don't[/I] think the numbers need to challenge the whole party. I think immersion and simulation (I like these!) are better served by making such challenges tricky. Occasionally they will be too easy for some, and/or too hard for others, depending on where the characters focused their training. And when that happens, it's up to the party to figure out ways to make up for it, to look for other, creative solutions rather than get stuck on a skill check that one or more of them are doomed to fail, and in the end to acknowledge that some tasks are suited for only [I]some [/I]of them. So maybe half the party auto-failing to scale that wall means they need to find another way in, or use their spells, or have the athletic ones climb up and throw down a knotted rope. That's good! It's a complication that requires a solution other than rolling a single check! Maybe only the Wizard (with 2024 rules) has a chance of making that extreme Arcana check about a long lost artifact. That's great! It makes sense and it's immersive, they [I]should [/I]be the only one able to make it. And maybe, if your goal is to stealthily scout ahead, don't send forth the clanging armoured warriors, only send the sneaky rogues and rangers. That's fantastic! It's basic tactics! What's not to like? [SIZE=3][This technically applies both to 2014 and 2024 rules, though to my great chagrin 5.5 fully dropped the ball on the skill system. Honestly, I just picked the 2024 flair because I use an example from the new PHB.][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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