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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9504837" data-attributes="member: 93670">This is Completely mistaken in how it tries to paper over a badly designed skill system with a secondary clause in that same skill system as if they are the same. It's ignoring the fact that 5e already addresses that sort of nonrolled skillcheck by telling GMs not to call for a roll when the outcome is not in doubt.&nbsp; Topping that off by ensuring the outcome can't be in doubt when a roll is actually called undercuts the purpose of even having a skill system that also sometimes relies on rolls &amp; DCsA skill system designed around conflicting logic like &quot;Don't ask for a roll if the results are not in doubt and the results can't be in doubt when you do ask for one&quot; is automatically a failure in how it presents a catch22 damned if you do damned if you don't design embodied by wargames where <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmGXeAtWUw" target="_blank">the only winning move is not to play [with either option]</a>.&nbsp; GM's need far more function in a skill system than that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9504837, member: 93670"] This is Completely mistaken in how it tries to paper over a badly designed skill system with a secondary clause in that same skill system as if they are the same. It's ignoring the fact that 5e [I]already[/I] addresses that sort of nonrolled skillcheck by telling GMs not to call for a roll when the outcome is not in doubt. Topping that off by ensuring the outcome c[I]an't[/I] be in doubt when a roll is actually called undercuts the purpose of even having a skill system that [I]also[/I] sometimes relies on rolls & DCs A skill system designed around conflicting logic like "[I]Don't ask for a roll if the results are not in doubt [B]and[/B] the results can't be in doubt when you do ask for one[/I]" is automatically a failure in how it presents a catch22 damned if you do damned if you don't design embodied by wargames where [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmGXeAtWUw']the only winning move is not to play [with either option][/URL]. GM's need far more function in a skill system than that. [/QUOTE]

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