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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 9505196" data-attributes="member: 71699">100% agree, and on that the following 2024 PHB text is appositeThe DM and the rules often call for an ability check when a creature attempts something other than an attack that has a chance of meaningful failure. When the outcome is uncertain and narratively interesting, the dice determine the result.Local cultures of play can vary significantly. Here, I am focusing on what the rules demand.To my reading, the 2024 text avoids encouraging hyper-narrow interpretations of skills or calls for checks that are uninteresting better than the 2014 text does. Frex, consequences resolution is shifted from the DMG into the PHB. Some posters are vexed to have skills less tightly defined: I read that same light touch as a conscious choice aimed at encouraging less hyper-narrow application.I intended my words to be understood as meaning that instead of the contribution from the d20 being +1 to +20, it becomes +10 to +20 (ignoring the distribution, as I did throughout.)Agreed, but my point is to show what a party might well have. I take it you do not disagree that those mechanics are available to player characters and do factually represent the possible (regardless of how common) range? I'm running a short campaign right now to understand the 2024 rules. Guidance features prominently, but we have no bard, ranger or rogue so no one has expertise.I suspect that you are taking my numbers to be the modifier: they're not, they're the rollable result. Hence the missing "+"... I literally intended (and in fact typed) "-4 to 52".+1 to +20 for the d20 (which becomes +10 to +20 with Reliable Talent, so does not change the top end) +2 to +6 for proficiency +2 to +6 for expertise +1 to +12 for Bardic Inspiration or Psi-Bolstered Knack (I assume only one can apply) +1 to +4 for guidance -4 to +5 for ability score (player characters cannot have 1 or 2, ordinarily) The lowest number I can roll is +1 -4 = -3. Throwing in the kitchen sink yields up to 53. So the range of rollable result is -3 to 53. The range of modifiers is -4 to +33.</blockquote>

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