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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9506106" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Welcome to the 2024 (and Tasha's) power creep rearing its ugly head? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Or you don't design around them and make the party getting something it lacks as part of the challenge? Why are DMs so quick to spoon-feed their players nowadays???Sure, but would you suggest the Rogue first?Sorry for the confusion, this is my fault as I am still in 2014-mode and will remain so. Most of these issues which seem to be arising are 2024 issues. No wonder?Fair enough. I could see the argument for a Bard (given how crazy they are), but also have a very strong reason for Rogue given the other roles they can play to compliment such a party IMO.Again fair enough. Experiences differ, we all know that.I'm in tier 2 in both games (one I run and one I play in). The one I play in my PC is actually a Rogue and he is the most effective PC in the party in both combat and utility. The other PCs (5th level) are a Barbarian, Druid, and Warlock/Cleric.I don't see him being overshadowed by the others or even feeling that way any time soon...In the game I DM our Rogue recently hit 7th level and is insane at his expertise skills already without Reliable Talent. And I know it will continue to get "worse" when Reliable Talent kicks in. Currently his skill set is (*expertise):Acrobatics +8Athletics +7*Insight +7Investigation +5Perception +10*Sleight of Hand +8Stealth +11*Survival +7Thieves tools +8Disguise kit +3Poisoner's kit +8*Everything bolded hits DC 15 on a roll of 8 or better (often less), so 65% chance of success. As a player, he is really happy with that at 7th level. I can't even imagine granting him Reliable Talent (2024) at 7th level along with Evasion! In a 2024 game, he would auto-sucess every skill at DC 15 other than the disguise kit!No, I'm sorry, that is WAY too strong a feature for tier 2.power creep, power creep, gotta love the power creep... duh dum dum. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👨‍🎤" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f468-1f3a4.png" title="Man singer    :man_singer:" data-shortname=":man_singer:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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