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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9506259" data-attributes="member: 59057">For dex based stuff, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Accurate enough. No. I disagree. With help and other ways to t advantage and the occasional guidance and heroic inspiration, DC 20 is manageable for most characters if the specialists are unavailable. Ok. I should have read further. I basically agree. The question is, why do want to challenge the high level rogue all the time? They are no wizards that can cast spells nearly at will at those levels trivializing a lot. IF utility spells would cost more than a low level slot or 10 minutes, why should the highest level rogue and specialist still fail at those tasks. Maybe reliable talent is not the best way, because it makes certain checks auto successes while it does not help for other checks with only a few DC points higher at all. So replacing it with something else (maybe some extra dice to spend to boost their checks) I disagree. I think expertise is spot on. Reliable talent is either boring or useless as explained above.I don't think so. There seems to be only one class that is not that great at either magic or skills... the monk. But even they have ways to get around many obstacles. Using skills is just the rogue's thing. As it always was. Or you just have that challenge and the PCs find a way around that. As it is always possible in this game. Or it just takes more time. Then don't use super high DCs. The rogue does not see the difference between DC 15 and 25 anyway after getting reliable talent. For everyone but the rogue expertise is great. A +6 bonus at highest level is not a lot better than advantage. For most levels, it is just raising the chance by 30%. For most levels that are played, where skills are competing with magic (because slots are still limited) it is just a 15% higher chance to succeed...</blockquote>

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