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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5736109" data-attributes="member: 87792">First, I am deliberately not taking guesses about the low Cha player's name.&nbsp; Although I have my suspicions.&nbsp;&nbsp;What do you mean by &quot;your words stand&quot;?&nbsp; The same words can have different impacts from different people.&nbsp; It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it.&nbsp;Honestly, if a Cha-12 PC tried giving Mark Anthony's speech (or pick another bit of oratory) and had no training in social skills, I'm pretty sure my NPCs would call him a pretentious tosser and depending on the setting start fetching rotten fruit.&nbsp; A Cha-18 PC on the other hand could easily give such a speech and fire up the crowd.&nbsp; And the same pick-up line from two PCs will go differently with different charisma scores.&nbsp;&nbsp;Really?&nbsp; I could probably find a 14 as an off-stat.&nbsp; On the other hand I'd struggle for a complete Conan package.&nbsp;&nbsp;Depends what you are trying to do.&nbsp; Diplomacy is about presentation.&nbsp; Would probably work.&nbsp;And my honest answer is that a genuinely high charisma player will have at least as much an advantage at the table as a high int player.&nbsp; Far more flexibility of what you can do and what you can convince everyone else is fun.&nbsp; I wouldn't knowingly stack in character rewards on top of this, but wouldn't expect charismatic black holes to come up with and run with the idea of dressing the PCs up as emissaries of Blipbloppool to distract the troglodytes.&nbsp; Or rounding up the NPCs to either burn the river or attack the merchant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5736109, member: 87792"] First, I am deliberately not taking guesses about the low Cha player's name. Although I have my suspicions. What do you mean by "your words stand"? The same words can have different impacts from different people. It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it. Honestly, if a Cha-12 PC tried giving Mark Anthony's speech (or pick another bit of oratory) and had no training in social skills, I'm pretty sure my NPCs would call him a pretentious tosser and depending on the setting start fetching rotten fruit. A Cha-18 PC on the other hand could easily give such a speech and fire up the crowd. And the same pick-up line from two PCs will go differently with different charisma scores. Really? I could probably find a 14 as an off-stat. On the other hand I'd struggle for a complete Conan package. Depends what you are trying to do. Diplomacy is about presentation. Would probably work. And my honest answer is that a genuinely high charisma player will have at least as much an advantage at the table as a high int player. Far more flexibility of what you can do and what you can convince everyone else is fun. I wouldn't knowingly stack in character rewards on top of this, but wouldn't expect charismatic black holes to come up with and run with the idea of dressing the PCs up as emissaries of Blipbloppool to distract the troglodytes. Or rounding up the NPCs to either burn the river or attack the merchant. [/QUOTE]

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