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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5738194" data-attributes="member: 463">So you define level as 'fame' and the +15 bonus to CHA checks as a fame bonus. Presumably you don't treat the +15 bonus to STR checks as a fame bonus - or do you?  "The door recognises your legendary fame, and breaks apart"?  I don't see any indication that that +15 bonus is supposed to derive from fame.  It derives from actual personal power.  The PC is supposed to *really* be better at intimidation, diplomacy etc at 30th level, whether or not the target recognises him.I think my approach of treating the mechanical bonus as a resource the player can call upon is by far the better approach - far better than 'play the character in front of you' or convoluted explanations of why CHA 10, no Diplomacy-training 30th level PCs *always* get +15 bonuses to Diplomacy checks.</blockquote>