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<blockquote data-quote="Gentlegamer" data-source="post: 5749075" data-attributes="member: 2425">The low Cha character still faces mechanical drawbacks, such as limited number of henchmen (in legacy D&amp;D), or negative modifiers to Will-based saves (like in Castles &amp; Crusades), negative initial reaction rolls, etc. There are plenty of mechanical effects that mental and social attributes can affect without requiring players engage in the 'double-think' required to 'play down' to low ratings in those areas for the character.No, and I find it hard to believe you really think these things lie in the same realm as mental and social tasks performed by the players of the game.Because (as I keep saying) role-playing games are a mental and social activity. Those attributes of the *players* are the ones being challenged in the game. A group may desire to add 'additional' challenge in the form of role-assumption or play-acting requirements, but that is not intrinsic to the game-form.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gentlegamer, post: 5749075, member: 2425"] The low Cha character still faces mechanical drawbacks, such as limited number of henchmen (in legacy D&D), or negative modifiers to Will-based saves (like in Castles & Crusades), negative initial reaction rolls, etc. There are plenty of mechanical effects that mental and social attributes can affect without requiring players engage in the 'double-think' required to 'play down' to low ratings in those areas for the character. No, and I find it hard to believe you really think these things lie in the same realm as mental and social tasks performed by the [I]players of the game[/I]. Because (as I keep saying) role-playing games are a mental and social activity. Those attributes of the *players* are the ones being challenged in the game. A group may desire to add 'additional' challenge in the form of role-assumption or play-acting requirements, but that is not intrinsic to the game-form. [/QUOTE]

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