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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5749341" data-attributes="member: 22779">Or, alternatively, choose systems which don't shoehorn classes so strongly into specific roles.  In 4e, forex, a diplomatic fighter costs you exactly one feat out of your 15 (I think that's how many you get in 4e).  So, it's not exactly a huge expediture of resources to gain that.3e is a lot more difficult in that the classes are a lot more strongly walled in by the skill/feat system.  But, again, certainly doable.  The fighter takes the feat that gives him Diplomacy as a class skill and he's off to the races.  No fuss no foul.My problem is with the character, any character, who never bothers to spend any character resources and then expects to be treated as if he was much better than the character actually is.-----------Funny how the "stat up this character" example gets entirely sidestepped.  I didn't ask if it was point buy or a PC.  Immaterial.  Doesn't matter one whit.Would you, or would you not give James Bond a 10 Cha?  Yes or no?The question is not, "Would you give him an 18 Cha", that's not the question.  It's, "WOULD YOU GIVE JAMES BOND A 10 CHA, why or why not?"The fact that everyone dodged the question pretty much proves my point I think.  Portrayal of the character matters.  A 10 Cha James Bond breaks immersion because the character is not portrayed as such.  A 10 Int Einstein breaks immersion because we certainly wouldn't expect one of the greatest minds of all time to have an average Intelligence.  So, explain to me why you think that your 10 Cha character with no social skills should succeed at social encounters as often as the character with a 14 Cha and max ranks in Diplomacy.</blockquote>

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