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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5799537" data-attributes="member: 22424">Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When I said it &quot;didn't work&quot;, I didn't mean mechanically. Mechanically, the 4e Paladin is absolutely fine.The problem is that (again, IMO) without the alignment restriction, it doesn't feel like a Paladin.Actually, I generally enjoy alignment threads. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />In my experience, if a player sets out to play a character with a code, but it isn't mechanically reinforced, then the instant the code becomes inconvenient, it gets cast aside. In effect, it's the morality of &quot;what I was going to do anyway&quot;.Restrict the Paladin to LG alignment, and a huge amount of that automatically disappears, even if the DM never once mentions alignment.It probably is an issue for some players, but that wasn't what I meant. It was about fulfilling the archetype, which for the Paladin is the &quot;knight in shining armour&quot; (with the most recognisable example probably being Superman these days). That is, they're the guys who always do right (or at least try) without bending their principles or compromising their honour.My experience is that if you remove the alignment restriction you lose that archetype. The paladin just becomes a divinely-empowered warrior, no different from any other class. It is the alignment restriction that makes the class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="delericho, post: 5799537, member: 22424"] Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When I said it "didn't work", I didn't mean mechanically. Mechanically, the 4e Paladin is absolutely fine. The problem is that (again, IMO) without the alignment restriction, it doesn't feel like a Paladin. Actually, I generally enjoy alignment threads. :) In my experience, if a player sets out to play a character with a code, but it isn't mechanically reinforced, then the instant the code becomes inconvenient, it gets cast aside. In effect, it's the morality of "what I was going to do anyway". Restrict the Paladin to LG alignment, and a huge amount of that automatically disappears, even if the DM [i]never once[/i] mentions alignment. It probably is an issue for some players, but that wasn't what I meant. It was about fulfilling the archetype, which for the Paladin is the "knight in shining armour" (with the most recognisable example probably being Superman these days). That is, they're the guys who always do right (or at least try) without bending their principles or compromising their honour. My experience is that if you remove the alignment [i]restriction[/i] you lose that archetype. The paladin just becomes a divinely-empowered warrior, no different from any other class. It is the alignment restriction that makes the class. [/QUOTE]

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