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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 5801883" data-attributes="member: 7635">In reverse order...I don't see the need for warlocks to be evil, but (going back to the 3.5 warlock) the &quot;any evil or chaotic&quot; route works fine. It gives you LE devil pacts, CE demon pacts, CN star pacts, and CG faerie pacts, for example. I'm just not seeing an LG warlock, for whatever reason...The barbarian issue depends on your definition of &quot;lawful&quot;. If it means &quot;lives within civilized societies laws&quot; then they have to be non-lawful since they define non-civilized life. If you mean &quot;has a code of honor/ethics&quot; it gets dicey, but I also think most creatures have a code of honor or ethics, and that doesn't make you lawful. Further, lawful seems to imply discipline, which is the antithesis to the &quot;raging fury&quot; of a barbarian.Yeah, all PCs end up killing for money. The difference is assassin implies striking at effectively unarmed targets, who may be acting well within the bounds of the law. A bandit knows he's an enemy of the law (even if he's Robin Hood), and there is a price on his head. He has chosen a criminal life and part of the price for ignoring societies laws is society sometimes sends dudes with swords to stop you. But an assassin's target? He could be a bandit lord, slaver, or money grubbing merchant of death, but he could just as likely be a corrupt official who uses the law as his shield, a rival businessman who has gained a legit upper-hand, or a good-natured reformer trying to make the world a better place, and who has gained the ire of powerful people resistant to change. An assassin doesn't offer you surrender (a good assassin shouldn't even be noticed), or only use his tools in self-defense (as most good rogues do). He uses poison, stealth, disguise, and dark magic to do this. It doesn't matter to a trained assassin if your Hitler or Ghandi, if he is being paid to kill you, he's doing his job. If his conscious gets the best of him, he doesn't take the job. (and should be warned; picky assassins find a dearth of work). Neutral? I can see. Good? Not really, no.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 5801883, member: 7635"] In reverse order... I don't see the need for warlocks to be evil, but (going back to the 3.5 warlock) the "any evil or chaotic" route works fine. It gives you LE devil pacts, CE demon pacts, CN star pacts, and CG faerie pacts, for example. I'm just not seeing an LG warlock, for whatever reason... The barbarian issue depends on your definition of "lawful". If it means "lives within civilized societies laws" then they have to be non-lawful since they define non-civilized life. If you mean "has a code of honor/ethics" it gets dicey, but I also think most creatures have a code of honor or ethics, and that doesn't make you lawful. Further, lawful seems to imply discipline, which is the antithesis to the "raging fury" of a barbarian. Yeah, all PCs end up killing for money. The difference is assassin implies striking at effectively unarmed targets, who may be acting well within the bounds of the law. A bandit knows he's an enemy of the law (even if he's Robin Hood), and there is a price on his head. He has chosen a criminal life and part of the price for ignoring societies laws is society sometimes sends dudes with swords to stop you. But an assassin's target? He could be a bandit lord, slaver, or money grubbing merchant of death, but he could just as likely be a corrupt official who uses the law as his shield, a rival businessman who has gained a legit upper-hand, or a good-natured reformer trying to make the world a better place, and who has gained the ire of powerful people resistant to change. An assassin doesn't offer you surrender (a good assassin shouldn't even be noticed), or only use his tools in self-defense (as most good rogues do). He uses poison, stealth, disguise, and dark magic to do this. It doesn't matter to a trained assassin if your Hitler or Ghandi, if he is being paid to kill you, he's doing his job. If his conscious gets the best of him, he doesn't take the job. (and should be warned; picky assassins find a dearth of work). Neutral? I can see. Good? Not really, no. [/QUOTE]

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