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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6281281" data-attributes="member: 4937">No it's not.  If you are hearing it as a third shift, it's your desire to read it as a shift that is salient and not changes in my state.  You act like this is an argument I'm trying to win.  I'm sorry about whatever happened between you, 4e, your 4e predictions and the board, but I'm not the one burned and emotional about this and I don't need to get a big victory dance of "I was right".   If you want an "I'm so sorry" song if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to sing it, but I got to tell you that I'll be chuckling as I do it.   Whatever happens between me and 5e isn't going to cause me to feel whatever your feeling regarding predictions.To be quite frank Mistwell, I don't know who you are.  I can't really recall what your positions are - the way I could Hussar (we almost always disagree) or RavenCrowKing (we almost always agreed).  I'm mildly flattered that you know enough about who I am and what I say to mark them down, which to be even more frank is often the point of me saying bold things.  The whole idea of your self-appointed task of holding me responsible for things just makes me grin.  Generally in real life with my friends, this long term bet thing is a contest resolved by the other buying each other lunch and is not taken with near the seriousness that you seem to be attaching to it.Rasping death rattle <==> close out sale <==> attempt to recover sunk costs <==> desultory product release and abandonment of the brand.  To me those are all attempting to express the same general idea in different ways. Yes indeed.  But you know, saying things like, "at this point I consider it vaporware" or "I'll be surprised if it isn't vaporware", seem to me to answer your question about whether I question assumptions in and of themselves.   Yes, I am somewhat surprised they've pushed through all their design problems and managed to convince the people upstairs to keep the money flowing and actually do a print run and so forth.   I've been on some software projects that equally surprised me that they reached a conclusion, but then didn't surprise me when the customer (rightly) was angry that the product was so grindingly slow it barely got the job done and didn't do half the things the sales engineers had promised.  This has all the hallmarks of being equally disastrous, but let me ask you the counter question - just how low is your bar of success?  Was Duke Nukem Forever's eventual publication proof of success, or was the 12 year production delay and release that flopped like a dead fish actually failure?   Could you tell me why you have so much invested in wanting to be able to say, "I told you so"?  I'll be happy to let you do that now.  Just go, "Ha! Fifth edition IS coming out!!  Muhahahahahaha!"   Don't expect a big reaction though.Mea culpas?  Really?  I feel like I'm missing a lot of history on this topic.</blockquote>

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