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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6861953" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>IMHO, here's your first misconception. You don't <em>really</em> need that much Wis, not nearly as much as you needed it in 3e, where the Wis score put a hard limit on the level of spells you could cast (if you didn't have 19, you would never cast 9th level spells in 3e), and determined the number of spells slots per day. Those are gone in 5e. Now the spellcasting score only affects how many spells per day you can prepare, and the save DC. They are of course important, but you don't need a necessarily high score unless you're focusing on offensive spells. [I played an 8-Int Wizard in 5e, and her only serious problem was that at low levels she really could prepare only 1 spell per day, so she was all about <em>Sleep</em>+cantrips]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And IMHO this is also a misconception. A Cleric is a priest that generally doesn't care about any other religion than her own, just like a Wizard could only worry about her own spells, in fact in 5e Clerics aren't automatically proficient with Knowledge(Religion) and Wizards aren't automatically proficient with Knowledge(Arcana). 5e went a long way separating proficiencies from classes for good reasons. You still have class proficiencies to choose from, to represent what they are more commonly proficient, but none of them is strictly necessary, especially when you consider how those Knowledge checks are <em>really</em> used in the majority of games, which is to <em>gain clues</em> rather to directly win a combat or challenge.</p><p></p><p>You are right in saying that "it's like language", but your misconception is that "Linguist" is not a class but pretty much a set of language proficiencies, and so is "Scholar" i.e. a set of Knowledge proficiency. There is also the "Sage" background and a feat for that. The Cleric class is not that, even though it offers you the Religion skill (and some more) as a choice. </p><p></p><p>If Wizards are on average more intelligent, it means they are naturally more efficient at learning any academic knowledge than anyone, period. They are just faster readers than Clerics on average. Why should all low-Dex Rogues be better acrobats than high-Dex non-Rogues? If they are the kind of Rogues that use dexterity every day, then this would be represented by a high Dex in the first place, and so the scholarly Cleric would also have (or develop) high Int.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6861953, member: 1465"] IMHO, here's your first misconception. You don't [I]really[/I] need that much Wis, not nearly as much as you needed it in 3e, where the Wis score put a hard limit on the level of spells you could cast (if you didn't have 19, you would never cast 9th level spells in 3e), and determined the number of spells slots per day. Those are gone in 5e. Now the spellcasting score only affects how many spells per day you can prepare, and the save DC. They are of course important, but you don't need a necessarily high score unless you're focusing on offensive spells. [I played an 8-Int Wizard in 5e, and her only serious problem was that at low levels she really could prepare only 1 spell per day, so she was all about [I]Sleep[/I]+cantrips] And IMHO this is also a misconception. A Cleric is a priest that generally doesn't care about any other religion than her own, just like a Wizard could only worry about her own spells, in fact in 5e Clerics aren't automatically proficient with Knowledge(Religion) and Wizards aren't automatically proficient with Knowledge(Arcana). 5e went a long way separating proficiencies from classes for good reasons. You still have class proficiencies to choose from, to represent what they are more commonly proficient, but none of them is strictly necessary, especially when you consider how those Knowledge checks are [I]really[/I] used in the majority of games, which is to [I]gain clues[/I] rather to directly win a combat or challenge. You are right in saying that "it's like language", but your misconception is that "Linguist" is not a class but pretty much a set of language proficiencies, and so is "Scholar" i.e. a set of Knowledge proficiency. There is also the "Sage" background and a feat for that. The Cleric class is not that, even though it offers you the Religion skill (and some more) as a choice. If Wizards are on average more intelligent, it means they are naturally more efficient at learning any academic knowledge than anyone, period. They are just faster readers than Clerics on average. Why should all low-Dex Rogues be better acrobats than high-Dex non-Rogues? If they are the kind of Rogues that use dexterity every day, then this would be represented by a high Dex in the first place, and so the scholarly Cleric would also have (or develop) high Int. [/QUOTE]
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