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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hemera" data-source="post: 5775099" data-attributes="member: 78503"><p>Just throwing in my two coppers, but I would like to see epic or high level or whatever you want to call it. In first we had characters at like 10th level or so, 2nd 11-12ish, 3rd 28-30ish, and 4th we're all sitting at 22nd at the moment.   It's been fun to see high level experiences, but one thing I miss in 4th edition is that I don't really feel as challenged I think is the word I'm looking for. It's just 4-5 whatevers that we fight. In previous editions we might have fought legions of demons, now it's party level plus maybe some 1 hp minions. I'd like some rules that kind of capture the scope and feel of epic level play. You aren't just a fighter, you're the man who holds the pass single handedly against an army. You're no longer just an average cleric, you are a prophet of your god, an archmage that can bend time and space to her will, or not just a not a simple rogue, you are the gd batman. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>