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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 9510902" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Soooo. What you're saying here is that the Caster version of cleave is, in fact, already better than the martial one.That's not ironic. That's logical. Training in weapons at the expense of their ability with spells is their entire shtick.Giving a list of abilities that only spellcasters get access to as an answer to what martials can do in lieu of the spells that casters get rather proves the point don't you think?Martials haven't got powerful effects like that since Bo9S and 4e.You really think that setup could beat a fighter at their own game? I think I understand. - It is the fact that martials get an epic boon and a capstone rather than 9th level spells that balances the classes out?The archetypal 9th level spell effect that a martial class could emulate whilst still keeping Martial flavour is probably Foresight. What ability do the martials get that you think compares to that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 9510902, member: 6802951"] Soooo. What you're saying here is that the Caster version of cleave is, in fact, [I]already [/I]better than the martial one. That's not ironic. That's logical. Training in weapons at the expense of their ability with spells is their entire shtick. Giving a list of abilities that only spellcasters get access to as an answer to what martials can do [I]in lieu of[/I] the spells that casters get rather proves the point don't you think? Martials haven't got powerful effects like that since Bo9S and 4e. You really think that setup could beat a fighter at their own game? I think I understand. - It is the fact that martials get an epic boon and a capstone rather than 9th level spells that balances the classes out? The archetypal 9th level spell effect that a martial class could emulate whilst still keeping Martial flavour is probably Foresight. What ability do the martials get that you think compares to that? [/QUOTE]

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