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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9511081" data-attributes="member: 6750235">So take the feat.  All I think you're doing is validating the existence of that feat.It's also about giving something to classes that don't need it just because other classes have it.It's okay for an EK as a fighter who should have weapon mastery because they are a fighter who added magic instead of other fighter options.  It's not okay for the valor bard example because the valor bard has enough toys well beyond that EK in their spells.The bard, if it's important to the player, has options to add weapon mastery and can use them.That presumes there needs to be, but there actually is.  Take the feat.  Done.This presumes full casters need this.  But if you don't want to spend the feat you can multi-class or use bastions rules.  Yes, the bastion rules allow this and has a 9th level gate, but a training area in your bastion has some decent options.Valor bards cannot do it with one feat because green-flame blade isn't on the bard cantrips list and magical secrets specifically refers to the spell preparation table, which is different.You can make a warlock with green-flame blade if you're including those spells.  It's on their list.  Pick up the weapon with pact of the blade, and gain weapon mastery via bastions at 9th level without spending a feat.  You can add agonizing blast and repelling blast to it too, and skip the extra attack invocations because you wanted GFB and cleave.I'm not sure why the valor bard needs to be able to cast green-flame blade and cleave.  The valor bard can replace an attack with vicious mockery for a weapon mastery effect and then stab the target with another attack already.  Or cast thunderwave instead.By the time you're EK adds war magic he's got 5 prepared spells and 6 spell slots that have just accessed 2nd level.  That valor bard has 11 prepared spells and 11 spell slots that have just accessed 4th level.EK's being able to also cast green-flame blade and cleave isn't a reason to also allow valor bards to cast green-flame blade and cleave too.  My answer is still to let fighters keep their toys and expect full casters to pay for them if they want them.  Full spellcasters don't need free martial toys. It's a false equivalent because we're comparing EK's to full spellcasters because both can cast spells.  This is true regardless of how many weapon masteries you want to give full spellcasters, who don't need them, for free because full spellcasters have many toys.Just use the feat that was created for this purpose.</blockquote>

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