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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haffrung Helleyes" data-source="post: 3977653" data-attributes="member: 1068">I agreeI agree that in general 'use the skills' is a good approach.The problem is, in 3E the knowledge skill mechanism for identifying monsters just doesn't work.They don't work because they scale difficulty with hit dice (or is it CR?).  This is a terrible way to adjudicate whether a PC has heard of a monster.In the real world, the critters you learn about first are the ones that are dangerous, and common.  In our world, people have heard about all large predators that live in their area by the time they are adolescents.   How many Inuit don't know what a polar bear is?  How many Masai can't identify a lion?The 3.5 rules make it so that the more dangerous a monster is, the less likely it is that you'll know anything about it.  This flies in the face of reason.  The 3.5 rules don't address how common monsters are at all.  By the rules, how common a monster is has no bearing whatsoever on how likely a PC is to know anything about it.So, while I generally agree with the adage that DMs shoudn't nerf the role of skills , this is an area where I make an exceptionl    .  So I would give the figher the check, untrained.  Ken</blockquote>