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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8492613" data-attributes="member: 7032025">You are aware of nothing, since you are obviously so misguided. I don't have any specific antipathy for 4e, I'm just actually annoyed at people still trying to push it through in every single instance of a conversation like it's the one true solution to every single RPG problem ever. Apart from that, on its own, it's a great game that I enjoyed for a few years, it's just that it does not correspond at all to the way I played D&D before and to my expectations of the game in general, and as soon as an alternative appeared that much better corresponded to my expectations, I switched over and never looked back. It's a matter of personal taste, I won't criticise yours if you don't criticise mine. And while I'm honestly amongst the first people to recognise a number of 4e qualities, I'm really, really, REALLY annoyed by 4e fanboys and their attitude, their defensiveness and their desperate need to show that it was actually not that bad and did not deserve the treatment that it received.On the one hand, you're right, fragility is not the only criterion, I should have added the intrinsic power (due to abilities) but from my perspective the rating is about the same. And I won't comment about very small deviations in the rating, if really pushed, I would probably say that because there are no deviations, BECMI is probably even more "zero" than AD&D, but the difference is minute.In a sense, it shows that I was right about the rating since apparently you don't even know what it means. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />After that, well just have a look at the type of adventures published for the various editions and how they are supposed to be carried out by the adventurers and you will very quickly see the difference. But yes, becoming actual heroes, with corresponding powers to influence the universe (and not just a few squares of a grid), actual demigods and potentially gods is part of the journey, at least the way I see it.As the ratings start with "my view", I don't think that anyone would claim that it was anything but subjective. I will cut up the rest, since you descending into borderline insult just goes to show how short of actual arguments you actually are. Please don't start another edition war, as usual, it comes from 4e fanboys trying to push their views and not allowing for any different view.</blockquote>

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