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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 574588" data-attributes="member: 1194">Whoa.Lela, I predict 2 things: you're not going to like my words, and you're not going to change any of your opinions about paladins OR theis situation.So, let me proceed with a Righteous Smackdown.ARE YOU CRAZY, LELA?!You're going to railroad your paladin player unjustly to satisfy your personal campaign ideas?Bad form.Here's an aspect that noone's caught yet:Do you know how hard it is to be with a group of people and go against the flow of the other players strictly for the 'roleplay'?I commend that paladin player for realizing the right paladin thing to do during that brief break.Many times I have had to take a brief step-back from the gaming table to see the proper action.Paladins are hard, especially in these cases where they are required to go against the partry wiahes.And I would bet you personally that the whole party was wanting the action to go one way, and after the brief break, he stepped up and played the paladin role perfectly.This guy OBVIOUSLY knows how to roleplay a paladin, and you're picking at nits.How's about this nitpick : What were you doing allowing a Diplomacy check to distract, or flirt with a diety's secretary?It should have been a Perform check, or a straight Charisma check (since there's no Seduction skill).While the player may have known what the lock-picking character was going to do, all the paladin knew was his adventuring mate asked for help. These characters risk life and limb together in the pursuit of Good and the glory of Tyr (and I'm sure have accomplished much togehter).How dare you pick at the smallest possible discretion, when as others have pointed out, the diety was being quite unhelpful.From my read of your story, the players were given evidence BY YOU that the diety was there.They knew a loyal follower of hers was in mortal danger, and logically assumed they were supposed to gain the diety's attention (perhaps they were SUPPOSED to get past the (possessed?!?) secretary obstacle as proof of their conviction?)There are many things the party did right, and the paladin player did right.For you to presume an oversight is manufacturing garbage on your part.Try to get your player-machination lollies out some other way : don't screw with a good paladin player's character to get it.If you want to delve into a "fallen paladin" scenario - I'd suggest talking to your PP about it - I'm confident he'd love to indulge it, as long as it's done well.I doubt if that good of PP will screw up enough to do a Fallen Paladin schtick without you screwing him over.and that's my 324 cents worth.you're PP is welcome to thank me for the words he can't tell you himself.</blockquote>

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