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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lela" data-source="post: 574756" data-attributes="member: 1216">Okay, my immediate reaction to all this is hold up my arms and say, "Whatever.  If I come to you guys for help and all I get is people constantly attacking me for even having the thought, then screw you."But then I think, maybe you're all right and I'm wrong.  Perhaps I'm indulging my own wishes and pleasures by trying to make the Paladin fall.  Perhaps that is what I've been secretly hoping for all along.  Perhaps I'm railroading the player by use of the gods.  Perhaps I'm taking the Code of Conduct to it's extreeme just to provide an outlet for my own guilty sinful pleasures.I know neither of those is the case in this situation.  Now, you were only mostly right on your predictions Rep.  I didn't hate everything you said.  Some of it I agreed with--as I'm sure you noticed as you were reading through the thread.I don't plan to revoke his status.  I don't plan to make him do anything.  I don't plan to destroy his character concept for my petty whims.  All of that you don't want me to do and I agree.In fact, I'm unsure of where everyone got the idea that I was hoping to make the guy play the fallen paladin angle.  One guy mentions it, I say it would be cool but I won't force him to do it and suddenly the Gelatious Cube hits the colossel Wilo'th Wisp.  What's up with that?IYO that is.  In fact, I've played in a game where they did have a Seduction skill (not like that, geese guys) and they used Wisdom.  Regardless, he beat her by a massive amount.  She rolled way low and he rolled way high.  She ended up with a 12 or so and he started by rolling a 19.  Would it have made much difference?  I doubt it.  And he was actually RPing the conversation with himself.  Then again, you meant this as an example of nitpicking.  In that case, it's a good thing I've yet to sign anything and send it in to Monte Cook or Skip Williams saying I'd fallow the rules exactly or I'd loose my DM status.  I could be in trouble then.  Though it would be a minor infraction and I'd expect the same light handedness from them as I'm giving the Paladin in question.Just to recap, I've seen two arguements for not revoke status.<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">It was a minor indescretion and doesn't warent a fall from grace.  Do something small to remind him that he's still being watched and shouldn't fail again.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lela, you're an idiot who doesn't know what your talking about.  You put them in a no-win situation and expected them to find a way out of it.  How dare you even think of punishing the paladin for helping someone unlawfully enter a somewhere they have been asked by a legedimate authority not to go.  (Notice I left out the goddess part.  That has little effect here.) [/list=1] To those who say #1, I agree.  I don't plan to do anything I wasn't going to do already.  The player knew it was coming and has been thinking about it.  This just turned out to be a perfect time with a perfect distraction to avoid metagameing. To those who say #2, it's possible that you misread what I said (which would be my fault).  It's also possible that you don't play the same campaign style I do and are letting that get in the way of your judgment (which would be your fault).  It may even be that you've had DMs railroad you in the past and are out to make sure that doesn't happen.  More likley you are just chaotic by nature or see me as acting overly lawful.  If that's the case, I assure you I only say what I say because I believe Tyr would see it that way.  If you havn't read his notes in Faiths and Panthions or at least the FR handbook, go do so. Good idea.  I'll think on that.  Though I doubt he want's to do it.  And, in case someone else missed it, I WONT FORCE HIM TOO!!! Well, I think that all my players, including the PP, thought I ran the session just the way I should have.  I can send them here to vouch for that if no one believes me.  And I do care that you do believe me.  I've found a home here and enjoy almost everyone's thoughts on various issues.  Even this one.</li> </ol></blockquote>

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