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<blockquote data-quote="HJFudge" data-source="post: 7621928" data-attributes="member: 6997593"><p>No, you can't. People can like any ole thing and have no obligation to explain why.</p><p></p><p>But people liking a thing has absolutely no bearing on the quality of a thing. Thats a huge issue that trips up otherwise very smart people. They conflate "I like this" with "This is good"</p><p></p><p>I'll use myself as an example. When I was growing up, I read a TON of forgotten realms novels. I wont name specific books or authors because I don't wish to cast aspersions. When I try to go back and read them today, I still get a lot of enjoyment out of them. However, having grown up and become more educated in literature and art and such, I recognize that they are for the most part extremely poor quality works. They just...well, aren't good. They didn't have to be, I enjoyed them. I enjoyed them more (much more in some cases) than legitimately good works of literature. I'd much rather read me some Forgotten Realms than say the Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, or Catcher in the Rye.</p><p></p><p>Does this mean forgotten realms is of an equal or higher quality than a literary classic because I enjoyed it more? LOL no. Not even a little bit. And if I tried to claim as such, I would be (rightly) mocked because it is just clearly not so.</p><p></p><p>So when Tony claims "4e was as good a game as D&D ever managed to be"...coming back with 'But not as many people liked it!' is meaningless and doesn't address the point. Now, I mean, he doesn't really back up his claim with anything and its fine if you disagree. But the metric of 'How many people enjoyed/did not enjoy this' does not belong in a discussion about quality. Does it have a place in a discussion about 'What can we sell to make more money?' Absolutely. But thats not Tony's claim. 5e is a more profitable edition. Hands down.</p><p></p><p>But that is not indicative of quality of the product.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HJFudge, post: 7621928, member: 6997593"] No, you can't. People can like any ole thing and have no obligation to explain why. But people liking a thing has absolutely no bearing on the quality of a thing. Thats a huge issue that trips up otherwise very smart people. They conflate "I like this" with "This is good" I'll use myself as an example. When I was growing up, I read a TON of forgotten realms novels. I wont name specific books or authors because I don't wish to cast aspersions. When I try to go back and read them today, I still get a lot of enjoyment out of them. However, having grown up and become more educated in literature and art and such, I recognize that they are for the most part extremely poor quality works. They just...well, aren't good. They didn't have to be, I enjoyed them. I enjoyed them more (much more in some cases) than legitimately good works of literature. I'd much rather read me some Forgotten Realms than say the Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, or Catcher in the Rye. Does this mean forgotten realms is of an equal or higher quality than a literary classic because I enjoyed it more? LOL no. Not even a little bit. And if I tried to claim as such, I would be (rightly) mocked because it is just clearly not so. So when Tony claims "4e was as good a game as D&D ever managed to be"...coming back with 'But not as many people liked it!' is meaningless and doesn't address the point. Now, I mean, he doesn't really back up his claim with anything and its fine if you disagree. But the metric of 'How many people enjoyed/did not enjoy this' does not belong in a discussion about quality. Does it have a place in a discussion about 'What can we sell to make more money?' Absolutely. But thats not Tony's claim. 5e is a more profitable edition. Hands down. But that is not indicative of quality of the product. [/QUOTE]
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