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<blockquote data-quote="Immortal Sun" data-source="post: 7591493">@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801328" target="_blank">Elfcrusher</a>Well, that certainly doesn't sound like &quot;Those things you're talking about aren't the things we're talking about.&quot;&nbsp; It certainly sounds a lot more like &quot;That thing you said is wrong.&quot;Which I never implied nor suggested other DMs, in this context ones like @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=97077" target="_blank">iserith</a> were expecting.&nbsp; @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801328" target="_blank">Elfcrusher</a>, while I felt dismissed by @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6776133" target="_blank">Bawylie</a>, I found @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=97077" target="_blank">iserith</a> to actually be constructive on the subject, at least until he bailed on defending his point and said &quot;I just do what the book says.&quot;I find &quot;I attack with my sword.&quot; to be exactly as descriptive as &quot;I search the room.&quot;&nbsp; Assuming there is only one enemy, just like there is only one room, these two statements are identical to me.&nbsp; I don't particularly want to go rounds with my player over &quot;I search the cabinets.&quot; then &quot;I search the bed.&quot;&nbsp; Then &quot;I search the trunk.&quot;&nbsp; And so on and so on and so on.&nbsp; If there is limited time I will explain that the player may only have time to search a limited number of items, I'll describe what items are present and relevant in the room.&nbsp; The player then says &quot;I search X and Y.&quot;&nbsp; But otherwise, &quot;I search the room.&quot; is sufficient to convey to me that the character is engaging in searching the various objects in the room.Again, and now we're back to &quot;My experience was different than yours, therefore I don't believe your experiences to be legitimate.&quot;So the first sentence of his post, and the second paragraph of his post, were entirely devoted to describing how he felt his experiences negated mine.&nbsp; Leaving only TWO SENTENCES devoted to actually discussing his methods and what he expected from his players.So paaaarrrrrdon me if I misread that the majority of his post was dedicated to calling my experiences &quot;bunk&quot; and I wasn't particularly inclined to &quot;have a discussion&quot; with that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Immortal Sun, post: 7591493"] @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801328"]Elfcrusher[/URL][/U][/B][/I] Well, that certainly doesn't sound like "Those things you're talking about aren't the things we're talking about." It certainly sounds a lot more like "That thing you said is wrong." Which I never implied nor suggested other DMs, in this context ones like @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=97077"]iserith[/URL][/U][/B][/I] were expecting. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801328"]Elfcrusher[/URL][/U][/B][/I], while I felt dismissed by @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6776133"]Bawylie[/URL][/U][/B][/I], I found @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=97077"]iserith[/URL][/U][/B][/I] to actually be constructive on the subject, at least until he bailed on defending his point and said "I just do what the book says." I find "I attack with my sword." to be [I]exactly[/I] as descriptive as "I search the room." Assuming there is only one enemy, just like there is only one room, these two statements are identical to me. I don't particularly want to go rounds with my player over "I search the cabinets." then "I search the bed." Then "I search the trunk." And so on and so on and so on. If there is limited time I will explain that the player may only have time to search a limited number of items, I'll describe what items are present and relevant in the room. The player then says "I search X and Y." But otherwise, "I search the room." is sufficient to convey to me that the character is engaging in searching the various objects in the room. Again, and now we're back to "My experience was different than yours, therefore I don't believe your experiences to be legitimate." So the first sentence of his post, and the second paragraph of his post, were [I]entirely[/I] devoted to describing how he felt his experiences negated mine. Leaving only [B]TWO [/B][B]SENTENCES[/B] devoted to actually discussing his methods and what he expected from his players. So paaaarrrrrdon me if I misread that the majority of his post was dedicated to calling my experiences "bunk" and I wasn't particularly inclined to "have a discussion" with that. [/QUOTE]

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