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<blockquote data-quote="Immortal Sun" data-source="post: 7591594"><p>These are, <em>literally</em> the sections of the book I just read through.</p><p></p><p>I wonder, have <em>you</em> read them? Or perhaps, are you thinking that the edition operates like some other game you're familiar with playing? Because there isn't a <em>single line</em> about a player providing enough specificity as to determine their approach and their goal.</p><p></p><p>In fact, there's really not a lot of talk about the player <em>at all</em>. There <strong>is</strong> however a lot of talk about the DM telling the players when to do this, when to do that, what to do, and what kind of DC any of those things will have. The overwhelming majority of the text here approaches the game from the DM's perspective, and what the DM needs to ask the players to do in order to achieve their goal.</p><p></p><p>There are quite a variety of <em>examples</em> of what skills can be used for, but these are <em>all</em> presented in the context of the DM calling for a check on any one of these skills in the appropriate situation.</p><p></p><p>The section in the 5E DMG only talks about players being specific or detailed when talking about <em>ignoring the dice</em>. So, I suppose if we're <em>not talking about checks at all</em> and just free-form role-playing an encounter, then there, yes a player needing to supply sufficient information about their task for the DM to determine the result is necessary.</p><p></p><p>Though perhaps, <em>you</em> ought to re-read these sections.</p><p></p><p></p><p>While <em>technically</em> correct that 5E does not use the words "skill check" but instead uses the words "ability check" it is very well understood that an ability check involving a skill is what most refer to as a "skill check".</p><p></p><p>Again, this is the sort of infuriating word games I don't want to play. You are <em>technically</em> correct, but we are not Bureaucrats. We understand what the <em>words are</em> and what the <em>language means</em>. If you're going to approach this conversation with the attempt to be as technical, nit-picky and anal-retentive as possible, please do me the favor of simply relying with "That's how I roll." so I can choose to no longer be part of this conversation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pot, kettle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Immortal Sun, post: 7591594"] These are, [I]literally[/I] the sections of the book I just read through. I wonder, have [I]you[/I] read them? Or perhaps, are you thinking that the edition operates like some other game you're familiar with playing? Because there isn't a [I]single line[/I] about a player providing enough specificity as to determine their approach and their goal. In fact, there's really not a lot of talk about the player [I]at all[/I]. There [B]is[/B] however a lot of talk about the DM telling the players when to do this, when to do that, what to do, and what kind of DC any of those things will have. The overwhelming majority of the text here approaches the game from the DM's perspective, and what the DM needs to ask the players to do in order to achieve their goal. There are quite a variety of [I]examples[/I] of what skills can be used for, but these are [I]all[/I] presented in the context of the DM calling for a check on any one of these skills in the appropriate situation. The section in the 5E DMG only talks about players being specific or detailed when talking about [I]ignoring the dice[/I]. So, I suppose if we're [I]not talking about checks at all[/I] and just free-form role-playing an encounter, then there, yes a player needing to supply sufficient information about their task for the DM to determine the result is necessary. Though perhaps, [I]you[/I] ought to re-read these sections. While [I]technically[/I] correct that 5E does not use the words "skill check" but instead uses the words "ability check" it is very well understood that an ability check involving a skill is what most refer to as a "skill check". Again, this is the sort of infuriating word games I don't want to play. You are [I]technically[/I] correct, but we are not Bureaucrats. We understand what the [I]words are[/I] and what the [I]language means[/I]. If you're going to approach this conversation with the attempt to be as technical, nit-picky and anal-retentive as possible, please do me the favor of simply relying with "That's how I roll." so I can choose to no longer be part of this conversation. Pot, kettle. [/QUOTE]
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