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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ComradeGnull" data-source="post: 5745053" data-attributes="member: 6685694">Sense Motive for me always made more sense as an NPC skill, or for PC's to use in defending against feints, or when they have no other opportunity to figure out if someone is lying (it simulates 'intuition' and reading of body language, neither of which are necessarily reproducible in a gaming situation).If a player can figure out from context that an NPC is lying, it seems reasonable that most people of average human intelligence would have a good chance to be able to do the same.I think mostly when we talk about differences between PC intelligence and player intelligence, we are talking about 'figuring things out', given that most of the knowledge that a smart player would have (other than meta game knowledge) is inapplicable to most game worlds.  In my mind, anyone of reasonably average intelligence has a pretty good chance of 'figuring out' connections between A and B and why people might or might not be lying.  I really don't see calling for 'roll to see if you comprehend the villains motivation' as really necessary as long as someone is playing a PC within the range of normal human intelligence.  There is a reason certain things are called common sense; you need not be particularly smart nor particularly insightful to exhibit it.If you have a player with a 3 Int PC who consistently remembers metagame knowledge (like weaknesses of monsters never encountered before or setting-specific information or something), I think it makes sense to require rolls or somehow penalize that- feeding bad information intentionally, or changing monster abilities behind the scenes to keep them guessing.</blockquote>

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