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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7923517" data-attributes="member: 97077">The rules say passive Perception is for what I said upthread, but also if the DM just wants an ability check that is secret. Your example looks to be the latter. But make no mistake, the character is actively aware of his or her surroundings. You're just not requiring the players to say so and working off an assumption (a common approach as noted above), and assumptions can be problematic (but not always).It never has to involve that except in a case of magical compulsion or the like.This, to me, just looks like post-hoc reasoning for wanting to tell players how their characters think and feel. The DM could more easily just say nothing about it and let the players establish this as is their role.It also looks like you're straying away from the intent of the words &quot;feel&quot; or &quot;feeling&quot; <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/should-intuition-be-a-skill-ability.670410/post-7923304" target="_blank">as I noted upthread</a> which makes these discussions difficult. I recommend challenging yourself for the next month not to tell players how their characters think or feel. Maybe ask them how their characters think or feel instead, if they don't volunteer that info themselves. Give it a shot and watch what happens. You might be surprised.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7923517, member: 97077"] The rules say passive Perception is for what I said upthread, but also if the DM just wants an ability check that is secret. Your example looks to be the latter. But make no mistake, the character is actively aware of his or her surroundings. You're just not requiring the players to say so and working off an assumption (a common approach as noted above), and assumptions can be problematic (but not always). It never has to involve that except in a case of magical compulsion or the like. This, to me, just looks like post-hoc reasoning for wanting to tell players how their characters think and feel. The DM could more easily just say nothing about it and let the players establish this as is their role. It also looks like you're straying away from the intent of the words "feel" or "feeling" [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/should-intuition-be-a-skill-ability.670410/post-7923304']as I noted upthread[/URL] which makes these discussions difficult. I recommend challenging yourself for the next month not to tell players how their characters think or feel. Maybe ask them how their characters think or feel instead, if they don't volunteer that info themselves. Give it a shot and watch what happens. You might be surprised. [/QUOTE]

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