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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4817684" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />When 3rd Edition delivered theoretical infinite level progression I thought that was the way forward for epic/immortal gaming. However, after many years I now see the fundamental flaws in allowing unlimited progression.To make any set of levels interesting you need:A) Enough new powers (or spells), abilities (or feats) and items (or artifacts) to make levelling-up an attractive prospect.B) Enough new adversaries and monsters to keep the heroes preoccupied (bare minimum 100 stat-blocks per tier - in 4e parlance)Thus, for the purpose of 4th Edition, making a new tier covering Levels 31-40 would be pointless without A & B (from above).Given also that the epic tier is somewhat shortchanged when it comes to adversaries and monsters I think we need to build that up somewhat first. Theres no point having a great 31-40 tier if people are going to be unimpressed by levels 21-30.Philosophically you also have the question of what does each tier represent? Again here, theres no point having a hundred new tiers or even ten new tiers, since you are going to be limited by what it represents.Personally I think we could probably have a theoretical maximum of 3 new PC tiers. A Demigod Tier (which I am calling the Legendary Tier), covering levels 31-40. Just to note that the Epic Destiny "Demigod" represents the path to becoming a demigod, it does not grant you the power of an actual demigod.A God Tier (which I am calling the Immortal Tier), covering levels 41-50. Just to note that gods like Vecna and Tiamat would exist in this tier if they were PCs or standard monsters. When converting a standard monster to a solo monster you reduce its level by 9 thus giving it the same EXP total. So Level 35 Solo Controller Vecna would be Level 44 for the purpose of determining his power within the immortal tier.An Overgod Tier (which I am calling the Sidereal Tier), covering Levels 51-60. Hard to say whether this tier is warranted. However, I think I can just about come up with a hundred or so adversaries and monsters to challenge overgods so it is a possibility. Also there are some ideas that exist on the periphery of this upper scale that I would like to explore such as retired supreme beings.The 61-70 Tier would be called the Eternal Tier but it wouldn't be a PC tier, simply a resource from which to draw adversaries and monsters from. As noted above in the Vecna example. Something from a Level 61-70 Tier would effectively be Level 52-61 when converted to a Solo opponent, or Level 57-66 when converted to Elite.</blockquote>

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