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Should magic be "mystical," unknowable, etc.? [Pick 2, no takebacks!]
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8543263" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Not...really? I mean if you dig deep enough in dictionaries you'll usually find references to the word "mystical," but several don't include it in the relevant definition being used here (that is, not the mere legerdemain that is actually possible IRL, but actual supernatural power). E.g. Dictionary.com gives, "the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature." (It uses "mystical" only for metaphorical uses of the word "magic," e.g. "magic beauty.") Merriam-Webster doesn't mention "mystic(al)" at all: "the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces." Collins: "Magic is the power to use supernatural forces to make impossible things happen, such as making people disappear or controlling events in nature." (Though it does reference the use of the term to refer to a "mysterious" or otherwise ineffable quality that makes something exciting--again, metaphorical uses only.)</p><p></p><p>So...yeah. The definition, when it comes to legit "powers," doesn't require mysticism. But it also doesn't forbid mysticism, and metaphorical uses of the term are sometimes explicit about it being a mystical thing, others eschew such references, and some imply "mystical" without actually using the term.</p><p></p><p>The only thing it actually seems to require is <em>control</em>, which is the one thing most pro-mysticism folks seem to dislike!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8543263, member: 6790260"] Not...really? I mean if you dig deep enough in dictionaries you'll usually find references to the word "mystical," but several don't include it in the relevant definition being used here (that is, not the mere legerdemain that is actually possible IRL, but actual supernatural power). E.g. Dictionary.com gives, "the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature." (It uses "mystical" only for metaphorical uses of the word "magic," e.g. "magic beauty.") Merriam-Webster doesn't mention "mystic(al)" at all: "the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces." Collins: "Magic is the power to use supernatural forces to make impossible things happen, such as making people disappear or controlling events in nature." (Though it does reference the use of the term to refer to a "mysterious" or otherwise ineffable quality that makes something exciting--again, metaphorical uses only.) So...yeah. The definition, when it comes to legit "powers," doesn't require mysticism. But it also doesn't forbid mysticism, and metaphorical uses of the term are sometimes explicit about it being a mystical thing, others eschew such references, and some imply "mystical" without actually using the term. The only thing it actually seems to require is [I]control[/I], which is the one thing most pro-mysticism folks seem to dislike! [/QUOTE]
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