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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1702486" data-attributes="member: 177">No, from a narrative standpoint, magic shoudl work in whatever way improves the narrative.&nbsp; If the BBEG rips out the heart of the hero, or kills him with Mage Hand choke on page three of the story, the narrative suffers tremendously.&nbsp; From a narrative standpoint, magic needs limitations.Another way of thinking about it - from a narrative standpoint, magic can go ahead and do whateverit wants to normal people.&nbsp; But the PCs are not normal people.&nbsp; They are main characters, a cut above normal folk.&nbsp; From one point of view, saving throws are there specifically to emulate the narrative-building resistance PCs have <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Never read about the death of Rasputin, did you?&nbsp; That was cyanide instead of arsenic, but the idea is the same.&nbsp; But you aren't describing what magic would be like if it did exist.&nbsp; None of us really know what it would be like.&nbsp; Maybe it would only be capable of generating rude noises.&nbsp; Maybe every use of magic would release energy equivalent to a nova stellar explosion, incinerating the solar system in which magic was used.&nbsp; Maybe magic does exist, and it operates in a manner so much more subtle than your proposition that you can't see it for what it is <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1702486, member: 177"] No, from a narrative standpoint, magic shoudl work in whatever way improves the narrative. If the BBEG rips out the heart of the hero, or kills him with Mage Hand choke on page three of the story, the narrative suffers tremendously. From a narrative standpoint, magic needs limitations. Another way of thinking about it - from a narrative standpoint, magic can go ahead and do whateverit wants to normal people. But the PCs are not normal people. They are main characters, a cut above normal folk. From one point of view, saving throws are there specifically to emulate the narrative-building resistance PCs have :) Never read about the death of Rasputin, did you? That was cyanide instead of arsenic, but the idea is the same. But you aren't describing what magic would be like if it did exist. None of us really know what it would be like. Maybe it would only be capable of generating rude noises. Maybe every use of magic would release energy equivalent to a nova stellar explosion, incinerating the solar system in which magic was used. Maybe magic [i]does[/i] exist, and it operates in a manner so much more subtle than your proposition that you can't see it for what it is :) [/QUOTE]

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