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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9145102" data-attributes="member: 29398">Maybe Bob isn't a 1st-level Fighter.&nbsp; As the constable of a tiny fishing village he could easily just be a commoner; or a commoner who's had a bit of training in grappling and with a billyclub but that's it.This points to - and is an example of - another gap in the rules I've been poking at recently: commoners who have a few quasi-class-like abilities but nowhere near enough to be fully a member of that class.&nbsp; Take for example the hunters in a hunter-gatherer society: they'll all have some tracking and outdoors skills but none of them are actual Rangers.&nbsp; How can that be mechanically reflected in a manner consistent with the game's class-based structure?Ditto Bob the Constable here.&nbsp; He's not a Fighter per se, yet through long practice knows a bit about the few elements of combat reqired for his job; probably well enough that he can at least do those as if a 1st Fighter.&nbsp; The game doesn't allow for guys like him in the rules, and IMO it should somehow.I'm the other way around: if you're a priest, that by default means you are a Cleric; as one of the key things that defines a priest from an acolyte or lay person is the divinely-granted ability to cast spells.That said, just because you're a Cleric doesn't mean you have to adventure, and many don't.&nbsp; Stay-at-home temple Clerics can still gain xp, though extremely slowly by adventuring standards, through doing good works, tending to their followers, making appropriate sacrifices, and so forth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9145102, member: 29398"] Maybe Bob isn't a 1st-level Fighter. As the constable of a tiny fishing village he could easily just be a commoner; or a commoner who's had a bit of training in grappling and with a billyclub but that's it. This points to - and is an example of - another gap in the rules I've been poking at recently: commoners who have a few quasi-class-like abilities but nowhere near enough to be fully a member of that class. Take for example the hunters in a hunter-gatherer society: they'll all have some tracking and outdoors skills but none of them are actual Rangers. How can that be mechanically reflected in a manner consistent with the game's class-based structure? Ditto Bob the Constable here. He's not a Fighter per se, yet through long practice knows a bit about the few elements of combat reqired for his job; probably well enough that he can at least do those as if a 1st Fighter. The game doesn't allow for guys like him in the rules, and IMO it should somehow. I'm the other way around: if you're a priest, that by default means you [B]are[/B] a Cleric; as one of the key things that defines a priest from an acolyte or lay person is the divinely-granted ability to cast spells. That said, just because you're a Cleric doesn't mean you have to adventure, and many don't. Stay-at-home temple Clerics can still gain xp, though extremely slowly by adventuring standards, through doing good works, tending to their followers, making appropriate sacrifices, and so forth. [/QUOTE]

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