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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 9147745" data-attributes="member: 6701124">Did I miss above if anyone shared a story where players were put out because they didn't have things an NPC (used here as also possibly being a humanoid monster of a PC allowable race) did?&nbsp; And maybe how often has it happened?---It strikes me as strange to require non-adventuring characters to have the full skill sets that player characters have (like hit points and melee combat abilities) to get some of the spells or some level of skills or to have some specific martial training in one weapon, or whatever.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is for the simple reason that they aren't off adventuring.&nbsp; In this light, I find it kind of baffling trying to imagine how training and the economy and military preparedness would work in a world that did require it&nbsp; (Take, the 3/3.5/PF1e commoner class, for example).As such, I don't see any reason non-adventuring NPCs should necessarily even vaguely match the extant PC classes in all cases.&nbsp;&nbsp; But sure, your PC should be able to do whatever the NPC did to get those powers - but in a lot of cases it seems like a strange thing to want since it would have involved you spending a lot of time not adventuring.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Why can that sorcerer cast lightning bolt and not any other spells!?!? *&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Because they trained with the servants of the blue dragon for decades and sacrificed everything else to become one of the chosen.&quot;&quot;But why wasn't that an option for my PC when I started out?!?!&quot; &quot;Because you were starting out as an adventurer and not a servant of the Blue Dragon cult for decades?&quot;&quot;But I could have started off older!?!?&quot;&quot;Right, but we don't do that, we start off at 1st level.&nbsp; I mean, by your argument the fighters could have been veterans of the military and started with all kinds of extra things too? &quot;&quot;But....&quot;&quot;It's fine.&nbsp; If you want to come in at say 3rd level next time we have a party there, with just d6 total hp, no armor or weapon training, and no other magic except lightning bolt once per lunar month, we can do that.&quot;&quot; :-(&nbsp; &quot;* or have +x on some skill, or +x BAB with one particular weapon, or.... obviously with training with someone else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 9147745, member: 6701124"] Did I miss above if anyone shared a story where players were put out because they didn't have things an NPC (used here as also possibly being a humanoid monster of a PC allowable race) did? And maybe how often has it happened? --- It strikes me as strange to require non-adventuring characters to have the full skill sets that player characters have (like hit points and melee combat abilities) to get some of the spells or some level of skills or to have some specific martial training in one weapon, or whatever. This is for the simple reason that they aren't off adventuring. In this light, I find it kind of baffling trying to imagine how training and the economy and military preparedness would work in a world that did require it (Take, the 3/3.5/PF1e commoner class, for example). As such, I don't see any reason non-adventuring NPCs should necessarily even vaguely match the extant PC classes in all cases. But sure, your PC should be able to do whatever the NPC did to get those powers - but in a lot of cases it seems like a strange thing to want since it would have involved you spending a lot of time not adventuring. "Why can that sorcerer cast lightning bolt and not any other spells!?!? *" "Because they trained with the servants of the blue dragon for decades and sacrificed everything else to become one of the chosen." "But why wasn't that an option for my PC when I started out?!?!" "Because you were starting out as an adventurer and not a servant of the Blue Dragon cult for decades?" "But I could have started off older!?!?" "Right, but we don't do that, we start off at 1st level. I mean, by your argument the fighters could have been veterans of the military and started with all kinds of extra things too? " "But...." "It's fine. If you want to come in at say 3rd level next time we have a party there, with just d6 total hp, no armor or weapon training, and no other magic except lightning bolt once per lunar month, we can do that." " :-( " * or have +x on some skill, or +x BAB with one particular weapon, or.... obviously with training with someone else. [/QUOTE]

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