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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9682240" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Not always. I'll start with my definition of Person: a member of a clade noted for intellect with free will and logic, and the ability to act based upon the interaction of perception, intellect, reason, and logic. D&amp;D, RuneQuest 3rd, GURPS, and others have distinguished full intellegence from animalistic intelligence for decades (since the 80s), but D&amp;D has weakened the distinction on intelligence in 5th.RuneQuest even makes it matter -&nbsp; one can convert a creature from limited to full intelligence (and thus mostly free willed).D&amp;D has distinguished free-will vs automaton in constructs and undead since the 80's. Non-free willed undead are supposed to be unable to act other than the most basic &quot;move and attack&quot;Many of the D&amp;D-based heartbreakers kept the distinction.Tunnels and Trolls 5th had an interesting distinction: Slaves lack Luck and Charisma attributes. Since interpersonal actions are mostly done with Charisma saves, Slaves auto-fail. That feels very un-personhood. I'll note as well: I never used that clause of the Slaves rule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9682240, member: 6779310"] Not always. I'll start with my definition of Person: a member of a clade noted for intellect with free will and logic, and the ability to act based upon the interaction of perception, intellect, reason, and logic. D&D, RuneQuest 3rd, GURPS, and others have distinguished full intellegence from animalistic intelligence for decades (since the 80s), but D&D has weakened the distinction on intelligence in 5th. RuneQuest even makes it matter - one can convert a creature from limited to full intelligence (and thus mostly free willed). D&D has distinguished free-will vs automaton in constructs and undead since the 80's. Non-free willed undead are supposed to be unable to act other than the most basic "move and attack" Many of the D&D-based heartbreakers kept the distinction. Tunnels and Trolls 5th had an interesting distinction: Slaves lack Luck and Charisma attributes. Since interpersonal actions are mostly done with Charisma saves, Slaves auto-fail. That feels very un-personhood. I'll note as well: I never used that clause of the Slaves rule. [/QUOTE]

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