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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2178625" data-attributes="member: 463">I think there's a big difference on this thread between gamers who see D&amp;D as an adversarial game like chess (where rules knowledge is vital) and those who see it as a cooperative enterprise.&nbsp; Again this is the war-gaming vs interactive-story-telling dichotomy.&nbsp; I have trouble seeing how you can truly have an adversarial game when one side is always supposed to 'win'.&nbsp; With 3e my general approach is that normally with tabletop games the players take care of all the rules stuff pertaining to their PCs, but I've also run games (eg for my wife &amp; brother in law) where I do all the rules stuff.&nbsp; Either approach works, there's only a problem if you have a non-rules player in a bunch of rules-knowers, because the GM will need to apply different approaches to the two and the non-rules player may end up being ineffective (though playing a greatsword-wielding Fighter with STR 18 &amp; Power Attack really helps here).&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />With PBEM games I GM, I do all the rules stuff myself, all the players have to do is roleplay.&nbsp; This I find is the most practical &amp; fun approach with PBEMs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 2178625, member: 463"] I think there's a big difference on this thread between gamers who see D&D as an adversarial game like chess (where rules knowledge is vital) and those who see it as a cooperative enterprise. Again this is the war-gaming vs interactive-story-telling dichotomy. I have trouble seeing how you can truly have an adversarial game when one side is always supposed to 'win'. With 3e my general approach is that normally with tabletop games the players take care of all the rules stuff pertaining to their PCs, but I've also run games (eg for my wife & brother in law) where I do all the rules stuff. Either approach works, there's only a problem if you have a non-rules player in a bunch of rules-knowers, because the GM will need to apply different approaches to the two and the non-rules player may end up being ineffective (though playing a greatsword-wielding Fighter with STR 18 & Power Attack really helps here). :) With PBEM games I GM, I do all the rules stuff myself, all the players have to do is roleplay. This I find is the most practical & fun approach with PBEMs. [/QUOTE]

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