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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5727253" data-attributes="member: 54877">I think you need at least three independent dimensions to provide reasonable variety in a manageable set of constructs. The intersection of class + role + power source could have been one way to do this. By mapping classes from role and power source in dependent ways, they threw away the main design value in having role and power source as explicit game constructs. (Even so, both still have some value as design parameters, and role also still has value as a marker for what the class is best at. This part is only a &quot;failure&quot; in the sense that settling for a field goal is not getting a touchdown.)&nbsp;Of course, it might be that class is not a good thing to make independent, since it is the core structure in D&amp;D. So a better option might have been role + power source + feat. Or role + power source + feat + skills. But however it was done, you would need something tangible and substantial, attached to role and power source, that move with those things, independent of other choices.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5727253, member: 54877"] I think you need at least three independent dimensions to provide reasonable variety in a manageable set of constructs. The intersection of class + role + power source could have been one way to do this. By mapping classes from role and power source in dependent ways, they threw away the main design value in having role and power source as explicit game constructs. (Even so, both still have some value as design parameters, and role also still has value as a marker for what the class is best at. This part is only a "failure" in the sense that settling for a field goal is not getting a touchdown.) Of course, it might be that class is not a good thing to make independent, since it is the core structure in D&D. So a better option might have been role + power source + feat. Or role + power source + feat + skills. But however it was done, you would need something tangible and substantial, attached to role and power source, that move with those things, independent of other choices. [/QUOTE]

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