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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 3338656" data-attributes="member: 18680">Well, I meant Fighter or Barbarian or Swashbuckler.  Ideally this applies as well to Paladins and Rangers (but they have spellcasting) and could be extended to Warblades, Swordsages, Monks and Crusaders.  The melee guys -- deadly at level 2; speedbumps at level 16.It's not a bad outcome.  Prestige classes can really help make a skill or melee character blossom and overcome some of the weakness that can be crippling at high levels.  But if losing spellcasting makes taking prestige classes too weak than that is, in and of itself, an interesting piece of data.  This is especially true of the arcane ones.  The only penalties you can give a sorcerer (I am assuming familar costs are negligible for almost all cases) for a prestige class are costs to enter the class.  This makes the Sorcerer much more powerful at level 10 (when they are already pretty tough) at the cost of making them weaker at level 2 when they are being outshone by the other classes.  Maybe "pure class" wizard or cleric is a good benchmark. But, as it is, it is nearly impossible to design a prestige class to advance Paladin spellcasting that isn't either exceedingly weak or doesn't have clerics scheming to sneak in.  Psionics has an interesting idea where the 1st level of a prestige class autmoatically costs a manifester level in nearly all cases.  This makes it possible to actually place abilities in said prestige class.</blockquote>

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