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<blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3338910" data-attributes="member: 48298">An unintended concequence of removing some of the +1 caster level of Prc's is that they will then become dip classes, unless the prereqs are too onerous then they won't be used. If the first level is not adding to caster level very few will take it. If it is after that then it will be a dip until that point. Give it a few months and there will be a feat or two to add a caster level as well. Just look at builds on wizards optimization boards. Unless a PrC offers something outstanding past a dead caster level it will only be a dip, if used at all. Even wizards mostly benifit from PrC's as many give bonus feats or better powers. Can't comment on clerics because I never play them and when I DM I houserule the class extensively, and open healing to all casters as a universal school.I don't see the problem as PrC's. The problem is sucky base classes compared to PrCs. There is a MAJOR shift in desgin mentality between the recent base classes and the original 3.0/5 base classes. Everyone here is letting the tail wag the dog. Start with the problem base vs PrC. If the base is solid and offers some way to be flexible and PrCs are used to specialize in a certain area you will see much less PrC use.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wraith-Hunter, post: 3338910, member: 48298"] An unintended concequence of removing some of the +1 caster level of Prc's is that they will then become dip classes, unless the prereqs are too onerous then they won't be used. If the first level is not adding to caster level very few will take it. If it is after that then it will be a dip until that point. Give it a few months and there will be a feat or two to add a caster level as well. Just look at builds on wizards optimization boards. Unless a PrC offers something outstanding past a dead caster level it will only be a dip, if used at all. Even wizards mostly benifit from PrC's as many give bonus feats or better powers. Can't comment on clerics because I never play them and when I DM I houserule the class extensively, and open healing to all casters as a universal school. I don't see the problem as PrC's. The problem is sucky base classes compared to PrCs. There is a MAJOR shift in desgin mentality between the recent base classes and the original 3.0/5 base classes. Everyone here is letting the tail wag the dog. Start with the problem base vs PrC. If the base is solid and offers some way to be flexible and PrCs are used to specialize in a certain area you will see much less PrC use. [/QUOTE]

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