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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 9403210" data-attributes="member: 6803643">Invocations is actually an interesting idea. I've always thought that the 4e Shaman should be a Warlock subclass and invocation kit set. Ranger invocations or something like it for specialized builds is an interesting concept.I do wonder how this aligns with the philosophy of the Warlock being a CharOp toolkit class (great versatility in builds, but you're locked in with not much flexibility once you've chosen your build) versus Sorcerers being a on-the-fly toolkit class (low quantity of spells, but a lot of flexibility to modify them to suit the needs of the moment). I feel like yes, many people want different things from Rangers, so letting you CharOp them makes a sort of sense, but you lose the fiction of &quot;I'm good at everything I need to be to live at Home on the Range where the Deer and the Antelope Play&quot; – they're suited to a bit more flexibility than predefined CharOp. I think this is why I like that they're now Spell-List Preparers in SRD v5.2, rather than limited Spells Known in v5.0-5.1. It avoids the pitfall of &quot;Oh, we're no longer in the desert fighting undead, I guess I'm not a Ranger anymore.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 9403210, member: 6803643"] Invocations is actually an interesting idea. I've always thought that the 4e Shaman should be a Warlock subclass and invocation kit set. Ranger invocations or something like it for specialized builds is an interesting concept. I do wonder how this aligns with the philosophy of the Warlock being a CharOp toolkit class (great versatility in builds, but you're locked in with not much flexibility once you've chosen your build) versus Sorcerers being a on-the-fly toolkit class (low quantity of spells, but a lot of flexibility to modify them to suit the needs of the moment). I feel like yes, many people want different things from Rangers, so letting you CharOp them makes a sort of sense, but you lose the fiction of "I'm good at everything I need to be to live at Home on the Range where the Deer and the Antelope Play" – they're suited to a bit more flexibility than predefined CharOp. I think this is why I like that they're now Spell-List Preparers in SRD v5.2, rather than limited Spells Known in v5.0-5.1. It avoids the pitfall of "Oh, we're no longer in the desert fighting undead, I guess I'm not a Ranger anymore." [/QUOTE]

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