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<blockquote data-quote="robertliguori" data-source="post: 4012059" data-attributes="member: 47776">How about 'mechanically interesting options, none of which are universally optimal, with meaningful in-world consequences, not restrictions'?For instance, in 2e, if you're a non-elven arcanist, you can't wear armor.&nbsp; In 3E, you can wear armor and suffer extreme mechanical penalty, or keep Mage Armor up and not.What I'd like to see is a system where it is conceivable that a primary-wizard (with the right training) would want to go into battle armored.&nbsp; Perhaps if ASF was implemented similarly to caster level checks?&nbsp; You have a caster level of 10, no ASF, you need to roll 10 on a d20+10 (aka, you don't roll).&nbsp; You have an ASF penalty of 5?&nbsp; Well, most of the time, you cast without penalty.&nbsp; That 25% of the time the roll comes up less than 10? That's the CL at which your spell is cast (or, if its a level 6 or higher spell, isn't cast.)&nbsp; If you only need to cast spells at a minimal CL, then wearing armor can be an optimal choice.Such decisions are inherently more complicated than simple &quot;This works best, so I'll do it.&quot; general optimization, but are more rewarding when you can spot an unorthodox solution which is nevertheless best for the singular problem at hand.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="robertliguori, post: 4012059, member: 47776"] How about 'mechanically interesting options, none of which are universally optimal, with meaningful in-world consequences, not restrictions'? For instance, in 2e, if you're a non-elven arcanist, you can't wear armor. In 3E, you can wear armor and suffer extreme mechanical penalty, or keep Mage Armor up and not. What I'd like to see is a system where it is conceivable that a primary-wizard (with the right training) would want to go into battle armored. Perhaps if ASF was implemented similarly to caster level checks? You have a caster level of 10, no ASF, you need to roll 10 on a d20+10 (aka, you don't roll). You have an ASF penalty of 5? Well, most of the time, you cast without penalty. That 25% of the time the roll comes up less than 10? That's the CL at which your spell is cast (or, if its a level 6 or higher spell, isn't cast.) If you only need to cast spells at a minimal CL, then wearing armor can be an optimal choice. Such decisions are inherently more complicated than simple "This works best, so I'll do it." general optimization, but are more rewarding when you can spot an unorthodox solution which is nevertheless best for the singular problem at hand. [/QUOTE]

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