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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4043599" data-attributes="member: 19675">I'm not usually one for thread necro- for that I apologize- but it took me this long to fully understand why this rule bothers me as much as it does.Despite several examples of rings in fiction, legend &amp; lore that are NOT artifacts or relics in D&amp;D terms, many people point out that many rings in legend and lore ARE just that.Setting aside (at least for the moment) the question of which power level of rings predominate, the question must be asked, &quot;What about other magic items?&quot;That is, if you look at the various source materials that inform FRPGs, what magical items are out there that are or are not predominantly artifacts or relics?Many examples are also posted in this thread and related ones about how there are many magic items that don't rise to the level of artifact or relic.However, I cannot readily recall one example on this website, nor in my own readings, of weapons or armor that would be relatively minor magic items.&nbsp; Instead, nearly each example of a magic weapon or armor is in some way epic...Durindal, Excalibur, Stormbringer, spears forged to slay dragons, Perseus' divinely gifted arsenal...if we've heard of a magic weapon, odds are its incredibly powerful.Even Sting must be incredibly powerful if it allowed a relatively powerless hobbit (as some have asserted him to be) to stand up to Shelob.And the same goes for shields &amp; armor.Yet its rings that get singled out for this singular treatment in the 4Ed rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4043599, member: 19675"] I'm not usually one for thread necro- for that I apologize- but it took me this long to fully understand why this rule bothers me as much as it does. Despite several examples of rings in fiction, legend & lore that are NOT artifacts or relics in D&D terms, many people point out that many rings in legend and lore ARE just that. Setting aside (at least for the moment) the question of which power level of rings predominate, the question must be asked, "What about other magic items?" That is, if you look at the various source materials that inform FRPGs, what magical items are out there that are or are not predominantly artifacts or relics? Many examples are also posted in this thread and related ones about how there are many magic items that don't rise to the level of artifact or relic. However, I cannot readily recall one example on this website, nor in my own readings, of weapons or armor that would be relatively minor magic items. Instead, nearly each example of a magic weapon or armor is in some way epic...Durindal, Excalibur, Stormbringer, spears forged to slay dragons, Perseus' divinely gifted arsenal...if we've heard of a magic weapon, odds are its [I]incredibly[/I] powerful. Even Sting must be incredibly powerful if it allowed a relatively powerless hobbit (as some have asserted him to be) to stand up to Shelob. And the same goes for shields & armor. Yet its [I]rings [/I]that get singled out for this singular treatment in the 4Ed rules. [/QUOTE]

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